Man, thats bad, but thats actually pretty funny.
the ride operator is the one legaly running the business and has the burden to make sure their ride is safe for the people who are on it. It obviously wasn't
are we an expert ride builder and inspector now manny?
The child met the manufacturer's height requirement.If ride operators an't do their job correctly because of security concerns, then that is another issue they need to take care of
Just stop, you have absolutely ZERO idea what the heck you are talking about.
Are you saying the child riding alone wasn't an unsafe situation?
I need to be an expert to understand that because the child died it was an unsafe situation and everyone failed him? What the ?
I just want to get one thing straight Eric, do you feel that the rider owner/operator shares any of the fault?
The child met the safety standards set by the manufacturer.do you feel that the rider owner/operator shares any of the fault
No.
Prob so.Are you saying the child riding alone wasn't an unsafe situation?
But the ride operator did everything on the safety side.
Ok, you admit that a child riding alone cons utes an unsafe situation, but you do not feel that the owner/operator has an obligation to prevent that unsafe situation from occuring?
I said it PROB is.
Heres what you dont understand.
All kids act different, that kid who jumped out, a kid thats 5 thats tall enough could sit there the whole time and be cool.
If you think having an age minimum fixes that, Ive seen 18 year olds try and jump out of rides.
Does that mean you set an over 21 limit?
Should the parent have ridden with the child? NOW obviously.
But the ride operators obligation is, you check the height, if he is tall enough and able to walk onto the ride on his own power, then you let him.
Just ins uting an age limit DOESNT work.
Kids, parents, families LIE, and you have zero idea, without them bringing a damn birth certificate with them to know.
That simple.
I made the mistake in feeling that ferris wheel operators would have the common sense to know that a six year old should not be allowed to ride alone where there is a situation they could fall 90 feet.
If parents lie to an operator, then obviously the operator would not be at fault, but the ride owner/operator has responsibility outside of the manufacturers requirements in order to prevent unsafe situations from occuring. If there is any chance a child could be put into a situation such as this, then the operator can refuse them service unless accompanied by a parent. I do not see why excercising such judgement is such a hard thing to ask.
I am fully aware of how parents can be complete s and lie. I know they can make a scene and make the operators life and job . But none of that removes the responsibility of making sure there are no unsafe situations occuring on the ride.
Let me ask you this question Tpark.
In the future do you think the company should allow six years (or children who look like six year olds) to ride alone?
manny.
First off.
You have ZERO clue, about the amusement ride industry, so please stop talking like you DO.
To answer your question, prob not.
But its typical of you to say "The operator shouldnt"
Once again.
You get your ass out there and try and experience it.
You talk big sitting behind a computer in an air conditioned room playing poker all day
But having to do REAL work, and dealing with people that will sacrafice their children's safety?
Ha.
I made the mistake in feeling that ferris wheel operators would have the common sense to know that a six year old should not be allowed to ride alone where there is a situation they could fall 90 feet
Because youve dealt with and worked in that situation SOOOOO many times.
Once again, i forgot i was dealing with someone who thinks they know everything.
I've never done real work now? Man, I'm talking to you in a calm way and you're about to blow a gasket. I haven't lobbed one insult, yet you've lobbed many. Look dude, Im' having a civil conversation but if you want to turn this into a flame war I'll happily join you and make you feel pretty damn ty. So either keep the conversation without the insults or I'm going to start lobbing them. Consider that your only warning.
I don't see where me having amusement ride experience is relevent in the least to me developing an opinion on whether or not a six year old being alone and 100 feet off the ground in a situation where they can fall to their death is unsafe. I'm gonna chalk that one up to common sense.
Now, either you agree its an unsafe situation or you feel its a safe situation. If it is an unsafe situation, then I don't see any way possible it would be ok to allow it on your ride.
Also, there are reports that the child was dangling for 40 seconds before he fell but the operator wasn't paying attention and didn't understand the mother when she tried to get his attention. That doesn't exactly speak wonders for the operator.
grow up fellas
I can't but compare this incident to something else:
My sister just got her license, she went to drivers ed, alot of class time, not a lot of actual driving time. I KNOW she's not ready for the streets, but she's met the legal requirements, has a car, and insurance. My parents don't let her drive alone, because they KNOW she's not ready. So if she were to get on the highway and kill some people in a accident, do you think it right for my parents to sue the DPS for issuing my sister a license and not to take any responsibility for allowing her to drive while knowing she wasn't ready?
total bull not true.Also, there are reports that the child was dangling for 40 seconds before he fell but the operator wasn't paying attention and didn't understand the mother when she tried to get his attention. That doesn't exactly speak wonders for the operator
He got spooked when the ride stopped, got out of his restraints and jumped out.
Don't believe everything you read.
Talk about piss poor analogy. I'm tempted to just ignore it because its so damn off base.
Anyhow, you're comparing a 16 year old licensed driver driving to a 6 year old riding a ferris wheel alone. Do you understand how ridiculous that comparison is?
Anyhow, I wasn't absolving the parent of responsibility, but I'm not too sure anyone here actually belives that letting a six year old ride alone is safe thing to do.
What kind of restraints do they have? How was the child able to get out?
I am going off of what was in print in several news sources according to eyewitness reports, what are you going off of?
Like I said earlier in this thread, to me it's plain common sense on the behalf of the mother and the ride operator that a six year old is too young to ride alone.
I know there's currently no age restrictions, but there should be. And yes, some parents will lie on the age. But a 6 year old can't fake being 12. And the ride operator could easily tell the parent, sorry - he can't ride alone - I don't think he's 12 (or whatever number).
Sure, the operator might get ed out and hassled. But isn't that better than scraping a 6 year olds blood and brains off the pavement?
Just a thought.
http://insidebayarea.com/argus/localnews/ci_3962159Ruben Castillo dangled for about 40 seconds before falling. Sophia Castillo believes her son, who was riding alone, panicked, and tried to climb out of the car.
She screamed at the operator to bring her son's car to the bottom, but he only spoke Spanish and didn't understand, she said.
Jared Costanza, from the advocacy organization Rideaccidents.com, said the boy should never have been allowed on the ride by himself, but did not blame the family.
"It's common sense that a 6-year-old child has no business riding alone on a 90-foot-tall ride that has no seat belts or restraints," he said. "People can blame the boy's parents or the ride operator because they should have known better, but the blame really lies with the industry, because they do know better. Yet there are no standards to prevent this from happening in the future."
what are you going off of
The ride inspectors that are there.
Yeah, but what the do I know.
Yeah Manny, cause you can believe EVERYTHING thats in the media.
Thats also a 100% fabrication and lie.but he only spoke Spanish and didn't understand, she said.
Jared Costanza, from the advocacy organization Rideaccidents.com
thats not an advocacy organization, its a website that reports ride accidents.
More great reporting.
I never said you didn't know what you were talking about, I asked you a question. There is no reason for you to get so defensive.
Then why are all the AP reports saying he dangled for 40 seconds? Are they all wrong?
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