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whose rules are right?
Nope, we just play by their rules.
whose rules are right?
Always a different conflict. War my boy is war.
Break things and kill people.
Fight to win. Being nice is not winning.
So what specifically should be like WWII? Just killing people if they refuse to surrender like the Japanese is already in the rules of engagement, so your wistful bloodlust is redundant.
Surrender is not a option.
All occupations eventually end, and it's rarely good at the end for the occupier.
Do you just have a macro that spews out random chiches?
It would be hypocritical to be angry at them for torture/murder when our own govt. is doing and outsourcing the same thing every day. We hold no moral high ground here, also thank to this administration.
Less than 24 hours after 2 American soldiers are discovered tortured and killed in a barbaric manner by terrorists people feel the need to politicize their deaths.
Lovely
And you too don't want to condemn those that did the beheading.
Just show your anger at those that do. Lovely!
Originally Posted by jochhejaam
Less than 24 hours after 2 American soldiers are discovered tortured and killed in a barbaric manner by terrorists people feel the need to politicize their deaths.
Lovely
I didn't ondemn them??? Didn't I quantify their acts as barbaric and label them as terrorists?
<sigh> Okay xray the acts were extremely barbaric and the perpetrators of this heinous crime are the muthers of all terrrorists. Hows that?
Add me to the list of those who find your posts confusing.
Is xray actually admitting this war is about oil?
I can't believe that human beings would do this to each other.
Cain...Abel.
Billy Shakespeare had it right: There is nothing new under the sun.
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I don't recall the American Military performing beheadings. If you're comparing this to Abu Ghraib, you're stretching. Big time.
Moral equivalency doesn't work here. Quite frankly, it's ing offensive.
How do you know what they're doing? You only see stock footage and stories from Gitmo and Abu Graib. There is a WHOLE network of Eastern European sites that we know nothing about, not to mention flat exporting (without due process, that little incovenience) people to places like Egypt and Saudi Arabia. Guess what? Those people have NO compunction about torturing and killing prisoners, and if one of our quick and quiet, due process free exports results in a death, that IS on this administration's hands.
Oh, and there have been deaths at Abu Graib. I don't think it makes a difference to the dead if they were beheaded or not.
HOLY you're and IDIOT!
I could give two good s about politics, WMD (supposed or not), the Bush administration and big oil. The bugs who killed PFC Tucker and PFC Menchaca deserve no less than to be hunted down where they hide and have a round driven through their brain pan.
Will some of you on this board consider me a goose-stepping automoton fed the pablum of the current administration for my remarks? Perhaps. But those remarks are mine and mine alone. Last time I checked, these men served the same country I did, and I say as their brother, I have a voice that says their deaths deserve retribution.
We take care of our own.
I'm curious Ex, just where is this do entd? Now, per some of the Islamic websites and news footage, we do have corrobating evidence of murder against the insurgents, but I have yet to find any convincing evidence against the coalition troops.
"any convincing evidence against the coalition troops."
3 soldiers were charged by the US militarywith murder this week, and that was NOT for Haditha. Sounds like the US military some "evidence" that you ought to pay attention to.
Here's some "lies" from the BBC about Haditha:
US braced for Haditha effect
By John Simpson
BBC News, World affairs editor
What happened in Haditha may just possibly change the future of the war in Iraq.
The lawyer for one of the marines accused of the massacre has told the BBC that criminal charges will probably be brought soon.
And we have found that the marines were operating under some very disturbing conditions.
The accusation is that after a US marine lance corporal died in a roadside bombing in Haditha last November, his fellow marines went on a killing spree.
Twenty-four people died in the attack, including seven women and three children.
A 12-year-old girl who survived says the Americans killed them indiscriminately.
The marines said they had came under fire from the houses where the people died.
The lawyer representing one marine told us he believed they would face charges, but said they were following their rules of engagement.
"I don't think the facts will show they intentionally killed those civilians," Paul Hackett said. "It was in the heat of battle, in the heat of clearing the houses.
"That is, like it or not, that is what those marines are required to do. They are required to close with the enemy, and kill the enemy."
'Feral' conditions
But Haditha is not the only massacre that has been alleged against the US forces.
A US inquiry has cleared them of blame for the deaths of civilians in Ishaqi in March - yet leading figures in the Iraqi government are unhappy, and want a wider investigation.
But what happened at Haditha seems more clear-cut.
It is an intensely dangerous place for the Americans, and the battle-weary men of Kilo Company - the unit which included the marines accused of the massacre - had lost a lot of men there.
And they were operating under disturbing cir stances.
Kilo Company's headquarters were three miles north of Haditha, at a vast dam across the Euphrates. It is a big target, because it supplies power to much of southern Iraq.
Four hundred men of the First Marine regiment were based in this decaying rabbit-warren. Conditions were so disgusting, many just moved out.
They set up these unofficial shacks alongside it. Conditions at the dam have been described as "feral".
Oliver Poole is one of the few reporters to have been there, shortly after the alleged massacre. He was shocked by these strange, primitive huts, which lacked even basic hygiene.
"You walked in and the first words were 'F off', and they were ripping pieces of wood apart to feed the fire," he said. "You could see the conditions in which they lived. And they were filthy. It was disgusting."
There seemed to him to be no real discipline.
"The fact that the officers had let conditions deteriorate to the level in which where people living in such basic environment, that says something," he said. "Where were the officers keeping the standards that the US military keeps in the field?"
Blame game
The marines of Kilo Company are now back at Camp Pendleton, in California. But that question of keeping the men under proper control is essential.
"The hardest thing is not necessarily killing someone or shooting someone; it's not killing someone or shooting someone when you're angry," said Paul Rieckhoff of the Iraqi Veterans Campaign.
"When someone in your unit is killed or wounded it's like someone attacked your family. The responsibility then is on one of the squad leaders, platoon leaders, team leaders to hold those guys back."
Up to now in the US, those against the war have blamed the people at the very top for what is happening in Iraq.
But the news that three American soldiers have been charged in connection with the deaths of three prisoners in Iraq last month - and the probable charges over Haditha - may mean that Americans will now start blaming those who are actually fighting the war as well.
Just as they did in Vietnam.
Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...st/5098634.stm
Published: 2006/06/20 13:24:08 GMT
© BBC MMVI
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I don't blame the people at the bottom (at the military or economic bottom, the people will always get screwed by the people at the top). dubya/ head/Repugs are solely responsible for starting the phony Iraq war, which is just like any war, with atrocities on both sides.
But the real atrocity, the impeachable atrocity, is dubya/ head/wolfie/condi/powell/rummy/Repugs.
Even if American soldiers were torturing, butchering and beheading the enemy, which they aren't, you'd have to be one soulless creature to take the position you've taken.
Moral high ground has nothing to do with feeling extreme anger towards anyone that would carry out these mindless acts.
I am not politizing this. I voted for the Republican canidate in every election since Ford.
I am just sick of our young men dying for nothing but corporate America, just like in Viet Nam.
It is an insult that Bush tries to sell this war as a war to free the Iraqis, and give them democracy. As I said, there are dozens of dictatorships throughout the world where people are being killed, where genocide is occuring, and the US turns a blind eye to them, because those countries have nothing that we can use to benefit us.
Bush should just admit that we want to take Iraq so we can all have a better bottom line and we can all pay less for oil and gas....at least be honest. I can deal with that.
They may have "thought" that there were WMD, but *they did not support the U.S. in striking first. *Blair did (his leash is short).
On a footnote, if the U.S. did not have special interest in Irag (oil), do you honestly believe this war would have been waged? Dictatorship, my ass. Capitalists/neoliberalists always have an agenda... $$$!
Last edited by Jules; 06-21-2006 at 07:04 PM.
Absolutely Jim!
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