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have you seen jackson play defense? it would take more then a year or two for him to become the next bowen.
SJax doesn't hustle enough to be a good defender, nor does have enough court vision, as seen in stupid moves and low AST.
He just doesn't initiate basketball.
Throw the passive black hole the ball, and he shoots it, end of his effort.
no defense, no hustle, no STL, no RBs, nothing but scoring while shooting a very poor %age.
So you have to put with SJaxs' ty game ALL season on the hope that he lucks out and hits a big 3G or 2 in the playoffs, the "clutch" ness.
We already have Robert in that role, and it sounds like he's back for next year.
SJax will insist on starting.
have you seen jackson play defense? it would take more then a year or two for him to become the next bowen.
If Spurs were to bring someone back I'd prefer Hedo (I know that'll draw a lot of heat). Hedo's a better defender, better rebounder, better ballhandler, better on assists, better shooter, better decision maker.
now thats a good idea. hedo issnt a chucker like jackson
I was a huge fan of Jackson. Still am. I would like to see him back because of the mental toughness he brings. He can be a head case at times and I don't know if that is good.
So which one is it?
We need SJax back. Clutch, jumpshooting, defense,etc. His at ude sucks sometimes, but we need someone who will get pissed and get fired up. But will he look to score15+ppg? We already have three scorers how will that work?
This isn't about how long it would take to mentor the guy, it's about how many more years of high - caliber defense Bowen can play.have you seen jackson play defense? it would take more then a year or two for him to become the next bowen.
I remember that Jacks lateral quickness wasn't really anything to write home about; and he was horrible when he had to put the ball on the floor. It seemed like the ball was dribbled off his foot, knee, hip, etc. at a pretty alarming rate for a perimeter player.
Is he clutch? yes. Do I love his fire and fearlessness? Yep. But let's not romanticize things. Jack was at his best as a spot-up shooter. If you're prepared to pay his salary for a spot up shooter w/ mediocre defense and poor ball handling skills, than he's your man.
I think the Spurs have more pressing needs, though.
That being said, I wouldn't be upset if it happened.
o defense
Hedo >>>>>>>>>>>> Jack
The Jack myth is amazing. Charisma over accomplishment.
Anybody want to lay odds Pop won't be putting Jack in a Spurs' uniform again?
The Hedo Myth is the greater tale...the scared offensive player who doesn't suck as much on the defensive end.
Back when Jack was with the Spurs, he was hungry for a good opportunity and some structure. The Spurs gave him that and helped make him successful. At the time, he said Pop was probably the only person who could keep him in line.
But fast forward. He goes to Atlanta and becomes one of their primary options. Armed with plenty of shots and a rising scoring average, I think his head starts to inflate a bit. He scores the good contract with Indiana and I think this is where is really starts to work its way loose.
Money has a way of changing things and Jack isn't that same hungry, just give me a chance guy we has in SA. I think Jack has a big head now and it will make it harder to keep him reigned in. I'm not against him coming back but its not going to be the same as 2003.
what do you think hedo would do on dirk?
Hedo was bad in the playoffs. Horry sucked in those playoffs too. So many people have said you need to give players a second year in the Spurs system. Hedo was solid when Sac played the Lakers.
Jack was a rollercoaster ride. +/- one time on the floor he'd be +8 and the next time he'd be -8. This year for the Pacers in the playoffs he totally sucked. His teammates were ready to kill him with him for his dumbass decision making, particularly down the stretch.
Last edited by picnroll; 06-22-2006 at 10:40 AM.
I think thats what they REALLY need.
He is both and that is the problem. You don't know which one you are getting. At least that is the way I look at it. I'd take him over Barry that is for sure.
do you think he is?
yeah and im telling you jackson isnt the guy to replace him.
I don't really care who's worse, Hedo or Jack. That's what thewas about.
Neither are coming back to the Spurs.
But you're right, the fact that Hedo is actually better than Jack on paper should tell Spurs fans something about Jackson...
Last edited by MadDog73; 06-22-2006 at 10:45 AM.
Too bad he isn't better about making the one step to his right necessary to catch passes in the corner.If Spurs were to bring someone back I'd prefer Hedo (I know that'll draw a lot of heat). Hedo's a better defender, better rebounder, better ballhandler, better on assists, better shooter, better decision maker.
Actually Artest, you said that he wouldn't be able to be that good defensively in a year. Quit changing your tune.yeah and im telling you jackson isnt the guy to replace him.
People act like Bowen is going to be around forever, he's not. Same for Horry. We need to get younger and get some guys in here that can fill those roles in the next year or two.
If Jackson isn't it, so be it. Still doesn't change the fact we have a very glaring hole that we need to fill.
I don't even like that we're worried about the matchup on Dirk. Dirk isn't who killed us in our series, it was Josh Howard. That's who we need to find a counter to.
Agreed. That was the worst decision ever, to pass on Josh Howard...
There are lots of things wrong with Jack, but Spurs fans never forget that he came up big when it counted.
Hedo is a better player on paper, but he did nothing when it counted. Maybe he could if he got another chance, but that's true of almost anyone -- he was a disappointment, plain and simple. Yeah, Horry sucked that year as well, but it's an understatement to say that he's had no shortage of other playoff moments to remember.
Has Hedo ever done anything for us that would make you want to welcome him back?
Agreed.
We need both.
It's not that we need to find a guy who can shut down Dirk -- short of having the reincarnation of David Robinson land on our doorstep, that guy ain't out there. We need to find a guy who can stay on Dirk in an effective single-team and keep him under control. I know you think Nazr could have been that guy, but either way, Nazr is gone and we need to have that guy. Maybe it's Bonner, maybe it's not.
And yeah, we need to be able to stop Howard with single coverage. If Bruce doesn't have to worry about Dirk, Bruce can do it pretty easily, but as you pointed out, we don't have too many more years of Bruce.
I just realized that Jackson is not a SF, even though he's 6'8". He's a SG...so unless he's backing up Bruce, we don't need him to start in place of Manu because Manu and Finley are better at the position.
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