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    That's not really any new news. They always planned on resigning him...but they aren't going to give up cap to do it.

    As I said to Chump when we originally had this debate...the Magic need a shooting guard...a big, veteran, shooting guard, that can shoot.

    Sound like anyone you guys might know of?

    There are cap issues...but they Spurs are going to have to pull some kind of trade no matter what.
    I think the Magic are fine going into this season with Re starting and Ariza backing up him and Hedo "cost us the ing LA series" Turkoglu.
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    To tell the press?

    I see this:

    Small forward Trevor Ariza, a restricted free agent, could be signed before Stevenson but Smith wouldn't speculate on the length of a contract for Ariza.


    I don't see anything there saying they've got a deal worked out...only a journalist speculating that he could be signed before Stephenson...


    And like has been the story all along...they aren't willing to pay much to resign him:


    http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...orts-headlines


    Not-so-big spenders target NBA free agents

    With the Magic focused on DeShawn Stevenson, only 5 teams have plenty of space under the salary cap.

    Orlando Magic General Manager Otis Smith isn't wasting any time, traveling to Los Angeles to make his official contract offer today to free agent DeShawn Stevenson.

    But don't expect to see Stevenson smiling.

    The gap between what the Magic will be offering and what he is asking for is pretty wide.

    Teams across the NBA can begin negotiating today with free agents, a large crop that includes a few big-impact players, a handful of potential starters and a truckload of role players.

    The biggest names on the free-agent list are Ben Wallace (Detroit), Peja Stojakovic (Indiana), Al Harrington (Atlanta), Jason Terry (Dallas) and Bonzi Wells (Sacramento), which doesn't exactly make this a stellar class.

    Only five teams -- Chicago, Atlanta, New Orleans, Toronto and Charlotte -- will have enough room under the salary cap to make offers that go beyond the middle-class exception of $5.1 million. Teams over the salary cap can sign their own free agents to any amount.

    Teams can't begin signing players until July 12.

    The Magic will be focusing initially on Stevenson, their starting shooting guard who opted out of the final year of his previous contract to become a free agent. Stevenson was scheduled to make $3 million this season.

    Although he has said he would like to continue playing in Orlando, where he has been the past 21/2 seasons, he wants to land a multiyear deal starting in the $5 million range.

    It's about $2 million more than the Magic want to pay.

    "We like DeShawn,'' Smith said. "We like him on our team and we want him back, but we're not going to spend money foolishly. He has to go out and establish his value, and if it's more than we're willing to pay, I'll shake his hand and wish him luck.''

    Neither Smith nor Stevenson's agent, Rob Pelinka, would discuss terms, but it's clear where both sides will begin.

    "There is going to be a lot of interest in DeShawn. He had a great season,'' Pelinka said. "And the Magic really developed some good chemistry late. Hopefully, they can keep that together. They can if they're willing to pay fair market value.''

    Pelinka declined to talk specifics, but he said he believed Stevenson should be compared to other shooting guards like Raja Bell ($4.5 million in Phoenix), Ricky Davis ($6.3 million in Minnesota), Marquis Daniels ($5.8 million in Dallas) and Shane Battier ($5.3 million in Houston).

    "It was a no-brainer for him to opt out of his contract. It was time for him to look at his options,'' Pelinka said. "He's young, athletic and skilled. This is a good time for him.''

    Helping Stevenson's case is the lack of good young guards available in free agency. Before next season begins, Wells will be 30 and Terry 29. Bobby Jackson is 33. Mike James is 31.

    The Magic still would like Stevenson, 25, to be in their lineup, but they drafted shooting guard J.J. Re from Duke earlier this week. They also are hoping that no one else offers Stevenson that $5 million salary.

    He averaged 11 points last season, giving the Magic consistency in all 82 games but not the outside shooting they need. Stevenson shot 46 percent, but he made only two 3-point shots all season.

    The Magic also are hoping to retain guard/forward Trevor Ariza, although at a significantly reduced cost. Ariza, who came from New York in the trade of Steve Francis, is a restricted free agent, which gives the Magic the right to match and sign him for any offer he receives.

    Wallace is likely to receive the biggest contract of any free agent. The four-time Defensive Player of the Year helped the Pistons win the 2004 NBA le.

    The Bulls, who might be only a center away from being a serious contender, are expected to make a big-money offer. The Pistons are reportedly set to make him a four-year offer starting at $12 million.

    If Wallace stays in Detroit, as expected, the Bulls will try to land Joel Pryzbilla of Portland, the second-best center available. Harrington and Stojakovic will command salaries in the $8 million to $10 million range.

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    Who exactly are we going to miss out on if we offer him a multi year deal starting at 3 mil per?


    Anyone we are going to be adding we are going to be doing it through trade...what is the big issue with offering that to Ariza?

    At worst we the Magic cap up and pay them back for trying to sign Duncan.

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    I like Ariza a lot too but he has no jumper so I would be wary of him. Before you give the standard line "He can develop a jump shot". Let me tell you it's not that simple. I can give you a list of 500 guys who were smart hard working individuals who never developed a consistent jumper (Here's a couple: Ben Wallace, Jacque Vaughan, Lindsey Hunter, Bo Outlaw, Brevin Knight, Jason Kidd, Chris Dudley, Anthony Carter). Not to mention all the guys you never hear about because they can't make the league or last 1-2 years because of it. That would really worry me about him. He has great athleticism and his rebounding numbers and defense are very good. So I could go either way on signing him but that jumper....

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    We want him for smallball/running as a PF in that lineup...having a J is not the priority in a small ball running lineup that it is in a half court inside out offense. The very changes that dictate us needing a player like Ariza also take away the premium we always had to place on shooters...It's not as important as it used to be, and we are unlikely to get an All Star SF with no holes in his game...

    We do not lack shooting on this team...we lack a long SF and a mobile big for a small ball lineup...Ariza fills those needs.

    And Ariza can get to the basket...

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    I like him too. He is very good on defense and rebounds well too. Plus he can score in transition and is a good leaper. I just don't know if he will hurt us in the half court. If he developed a jump shot he could be 10-15 year starter in this league no doubt. It just worries me about him. God I wish he could shoot.
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    If Sato makes the Suns and explodes on the scene that'd be funny.



    In a sick kinda way.
    So Spurs gave up Rose + two 1st round picks + Sato for a year's lease of Mohammed. That trade looks worse every day.

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    Thomas gardner will play with Spurs.
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    Sharrod Ford, Roderick Riley -- Cleveland

    Wayne Wallace , Rick Rickert -- Detroit

    Darius Washington, Mamadou N'Diaye, Hollis Price -- Rockets

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    How did Denver beat the Spurs to Alain Koffi? He seems like a great prospect. I realize he's not guaranteed anything wherever he goes, but I liked what I initially saw.

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    How did Denver beat the Spurs to Alain Koffi?
    Vegas comes before RMR. He could be on both teams, but if someone blows up he'll get signed before we even see him.

    I never liked being in the later summer leagues. We've missed out on a couple of players because of it.

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    Why not just send a representative out there to sign guys off the floor?

    I salivate (not literally) for a Marquis Daniels type steal, but know that's not happening.

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    I'm sure we have a scout or two at Vegas, and there are several teams that have no room at all on their rosters -- that's why I'd want to keep a close watch on Ebi, for example.

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    Have the Spurs signed Dwayne Mitc for their summer league yet? Are they going to? That kid put up freak numbers at the combine.

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    Ansu Sesay, Vincent Yarbrough -- Wolves

    Tommy Smith, Massismo Bullieri, Britton Johnsen, Chris Owens, Nick Davis -- Suns

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    The Spurs can't even recruit a summer league team......


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    Marcus Slaughter, Kasib Powell -- Lakers

    Antwian Barbour, Andreas Glyniadakis, Ousmane Cisse, Junior Harrington -- Grizzlies

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    What's going on with Dwayne Mitc ?

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    apparently Gmac had the worst workout that the Nuggets have ever seen

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    Gmac?

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