I oppose beheadings
Big deal, it happens. When will the left realize that the actions of 4 people don't represent all the morons on the right. And the other way around. It's so funny seeing all the stuff you all spout. Apparently scandalous Clinton represents all democrats and drug Limbaugh and demented soldiers represent the entire GOP. I'd like to be on the front pages around the world if I was murdered, but apparently there has to be some non-existant political connection for that to happen.
OMGosh, now we have an apologist for beheadings!
Well said.
As a Muslim, opening this thread I was not expecting people to begin attempting to justify this . I just hope this is some part of your e-personality you just need to express somehow to get a reaction and not how you guys genuinely feel.
These little 4-man hit squads who execute families in front of there kids, and now these rapes where it's said the soldies "saw the women and noticed her on pervious routes". That's just sick.
Four people?
Starting with those pics leaked, to the events in recent weeks...I would so it's more than just 4 renegade soldiers. Keep in mind these are only the stories that arent' covered up...I don't even want to think how much of this happens that people never hear about.
neither one of us ever said that... you don't read what people say, you just spout off you hear or read no matter what is said...
yes, every single soldier in iraq is bad... and all the pows are model citizens...
First, I want to say something. I do not condone, nor does anyone on
this forum condone what was done to the woman and her family by some
criminals. The military is a part of society, just like everyone on this
board is.
But I find it interesting that you want to condemn American Soldiers but
at the same time do not condemn the Muslims that have killed
hundreds and thousands of people of their own faith and yours I might
add. I would assume you are not part of the groups of Muslims that
are doing these deeds. If you aren't, then you are too in their sights.
Of course a roadside bomb or car bomb does not ask of what religion or
sect of a religion you are before it kills you. It doesn't ask your age, sex
or anything else. It kills. Now would you propose that those who plant
those bombs are criminals, terrorist and outright thugs or just good
Muslims protecting their country? And one other question. What
country to they represent?
Can you say Sharia Justice... I am sure the left is happy about it..
If a woman brings shame to the family--through allegations of premarital or extramarital sex, by refusing an arranged marriage, or attempting to obtain a divorce--her male relatives are bound by duty and culture to murder her.
"Honor is everything," says Ahmed, a 52-year-old Palestinian Muslim. "If a person loses his honor, he becomes like an animal."
... In the Palestinian communities of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, Israel, and Jordan, women are executed in their homes, in open fields, and occasionally in public, sometimes before crowds of cheering onlookers. Honor killings account for virtually all of the murders of Palestinian women in these areas.
Honor killings occur for a variety of offenses, including allegations of premarital or extramarital sex, refusing an arranged marriage, attempting to obtain a divorce, or simply talking with a man. If a woman brings shame to the family, her male relatives are bound by duty and culture to kill her. "A woman shamed is like rotting flesh," a Palestinian merchant tells me. "If it is not cut away, it will consume the body. What I mean is the whole family will be tainted if she is not killed."
...A sixteen-year-old Palestinian girl became pregnant after being raped by her younger brother. Once her condition became known, her family encouraged her older brother to kill her to remove the blemish from their honor. Her brothers, the rapist and the murderer, were exonerated. The girl was blamed. "She made a mistake," said one of her male cousins. "She had to pay for it."
oh yeah here is a great article in national geographic about how women are treated in some muslim countries...
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...orkilling.html
Nothing like an attempt to change the subject to pass the time.
Just went back and read the opening post on this thread. Are you saying
you started the thread.
You say: "As a Muslim, opening this thread I was not expecting people to begin attempting to justify this ."
Are you saying you are nbadan? And posting under another name? Just
what is your meaning? Something doesn't compute here.
open = click on and read
^^Chump what are you talking about? Doesn't make sense.
I'm glad you don't condone rape, neither do I.
This isn't a debate about whether the war is just. It's about justifying rape. To reply to your "military is a society"...sure it is one held to a higher standard. That's why they have there own courts, thats why they have special training.
What?
No, I'm not him. I meant "when I opened this thread" as in "when I opened this thread" as in...when I clicked the little le and this thread opened.
now dont get me wrong...
rape is bad
I find it very interesting that you think the military should be held to a
"higher standard". Higher than who. The public in general? Society?
How is that so?
Then you turn around and say that this is about justifying rape. Well you
made the statement that you were Muslim. Okay, justify them doing what
they do. Is rape more offensive than sawing off some one's head from their
shoulders. By a Muslim, no less. Maybe no one of your sect. But a
Muslim nevertheless. Now you tell me that the Military are above the
normal standard. Is a devout Muslim above the normal standard? Should
they be held to the normal standard? You know like, if you capture
someone you treat them humanely. Like give them a Saint James version
of the bible and bacon and eggs for breakfast. You know Christians eat
pork.
You sir, seem to be avoiding the questions I would like to ask a Muslim.
Oh and by the way, the military doesn't have their own courts because
they have higher standards, it is because they have different laws to
adher to than civilians. In civilian life you can't be punished for telling
the boss to stuff it.
You claim murder is common in society.
I said the military shouldn't be compared to "society" because it is held to higher standards. In fact, most sociologists will tell you that the military is a subculture.
Why should I have to justify beheadings? What kind of re ed argument is that. I have my own opinions on the war, but this isn't the forum to discuss it. This is about a women who got raped, and similar instances that have been brought to light recently....why do you keep distracting the focus from that?
I'm not avoiding anything, other than your feeble attempts to display your agenda in a forum that has nothing to do with it. Make a new thread, call it "why I hate muslims" and I'll be glad to discuss it with you there.
Last edited by Please_dont_ban_me; 07-02-2006 at 08:32 PM.
Typical. You start one that explains your outrage for those that
do the things they do in the name of Allah. Okay.
Otherwise, you knew the answer about rape by anyone. No one
condones it.
I didn't ask you to justify beheadings. How in the world could you.
Maybe for those that raped others. But for just being someone. You
tell me. It is your religion. Not mine.
Why do I get the feeling English is not your first language.
I have no idea what you just said, when I do...and it's relevant to this topic (raping women, and how people in this thread seem to think it was ok) then I'll reply to it.
www.esl.com
Details Emerge in Alleged Army Rape, Killings
By Ellen Knickmeyer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, July 3, 2006; A15
BAGHDAD, July 2Washington Post-- Fifteen-year-old Abeer Qasim Hamza was afraid, her mother confided in a neighbor. As pretty as she was young, the girl had attracted the unwelcome attention of U.S. soldiers manning a checkpoint that the girl had to pass through almost daily in their village in the south-central city of Mahmudiyah, her mother told the neighbor.
Abeer told her mother again and again in her last days that the soldiers had made advances toward her, a neighbor, Omar Janabi, said this weekend, recounting a conversation he said he had with the girl's mother, Fakhriyah, on March 10. Fakhriyah feared that the Americans might come for her daughter at night, at their home. She asked her neighbor if Abeer might sleep at his house, with the women there.
Janabi said he agreed. Then, "I tried to reassure her, remove some of her fear," Janabi said. "I told her, the Americans would not do such a thing." ...
15 years old?
Wow. Sick bas s.
there are bas s in America too
that doesnt mean Bush is responsible
If this was a court of law in the states, he woud be responsible.
Obviously he won't be...but generally speaking if you begin a chain of reactions that lead to somebody's death/murder/robbery...you can (and most often are) held responsible.
Example, drunk driving. Also...manufacturers of faulty products which will people.
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