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Maybe you do a sign and trade with the Wizards and get Jeffries for a sensible price.
Jared Jeffries is the guy I had hoped the Spurs would pick up from the very get go. I defended him to no end frankly because I believe he is the ideal fit as of right now.
Now, would the Spurs want a lengthy wing who could score, defend, rebound, etc? What team would not......but right now, that player is not out there in free agency....and we probably would not be able to afford him anyways, so people need to stop dreaming.
What Jeffries is though, is a 6-10 or 6-11 player that is versatile enough to guard big SG's, SF's, and a majority of PF's in the NBA. He is still fairly young, atheltic, quick, hustles, coachable, no off court problems, and still has potential to improve.
Is he an inconsistent scorer? Yes. But, do the Spurs really need more scoring? Personally, I don't think so. We have the big three to carry the load on scoring, as well as other players who chip in and there with points....
I want Jared here because we have a very unselfish team as a whole. We have a Super Star in Tim Duncan who makes almost anyone look better. We have stars in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili who are unselfish and can also make this young man better. We have a great coaching staff that will work with him.
The environment here in San Antonio is totally different than in Washington. I look back to Boris Diaw in Atlanta. The kid could barely get off the Hawks bench....what he was best known for was his defense. He was considered to have zilch offense and too passive. He leaves the Hawks for an unselfish team in the Suns, with a Super Star that makes others better, and a coaching staff that knows how to utilize him, and he turns into a player that can give you a triple-double on any given night.
Would I overpay for Jeffries? Yes, thats the only way I'm snatching him away from Washington. In this game, sometimes you have to pull the trigger and just go with your gut....and I believe in this kid and our system, and feel that he can break out and be more than just a long wing that can play defense.
Maybe you do a sign and trade with the Wizards and get Jeffries for a sensible price.
Arenas never passes the ball, maybe Jeffries didn't take advantage of arenas' misses by not getting a rebound.
Butler and Daniels came over last season, Jeffries beat them out because he's a hard worker and plays solid D. He's not a good shooter but we have plenty of those already, we need a guy who'll dive for the loose ball, hustle back on transition defense to contest and block shots, and guard guys in our division like peja, dirk, gasol, and tmac. He's a prince type player before prince came into his own offensively, why wouldn't we want that?
Marcus, I would prefer that, but I don't see that happening.
Thomas and Haywood already have big contracts, and the Wiz are going to have a hard time moving them, just so they can make room for another big contract in Nazr's.
Barry? I don't see why they would want him....and they seem okay already at the SG and SF position.
I'm not particularly for or against getting Jeffries given what's available, but I think this line of reasoning is crazy.
Yeah, Diaw had a breakout year when he went to Phoenix, but there aren't a whole lot of Diaws in the world. We signed Brent Barry off a lousy Phoenix team, and his stats dropped precipitously. We signed Rasho off of Minnesota and his stats went down. For every example of a player who blossomed when he went to a new team, there's another example where a team convinced themselves that a player from another team was going to blow up when they signed him, only to be sitting on a bad contract a year later after they realize that no magic had happened.
From what I can tell, Jeffries is effective offensively in two spots on the floor: inside and on the perimeter. Going by stats, his midrange jumper seems to be worse than his so-so 3 point shot. When he comes to the Spurs, he may get more open 3s on the perimeter, but he's likely to get fewer open baskets inside, which is where most of his points come from now. Maybe that adds up to a net positive, but maybe it doesn't.
Would I overpay for Jeffries? no. Intentionally overpaying is rarely ever a good idea. It's hard enough trying to build a roster with moves that you think are good ones at the time, because there are a lot of risks in any move. When you start making desperate moves just for the sake of making a move, that's when things really have a knack for blowing up in your face.
Either we get him for what he's worth or we should pass.
It's strange. Out of college (Indiana), I would have projected Jeffries as more of an offensive player. A good shooter who developed a mid-range game, tall enough to get shots over most defenders. I knew he'd have trouble taking the ball inside and slashing, as skinny as he was.
Kudos to him, at least, for finding a way to stick in the league. Defending your ass off isn't the most obviously beneficial option for young players, but he got there.
Alright, first off we got Brent Barry for Seattle.I'm not particularly for or against getting Jeffries given what's available, but I think this line of reasoning is crazy.
Yeah, Diaw had a breakout year when he went to Phoenix, but there aren't a whole lot of Diaws in the world. We signed Brent Barry off a lousy Phoenix team, and his stats dropped precipitously. We signed Rasho off of Minnesota and his stats went down. For every example of a player who blossomed when he went to a new team, there's another example where a team convinced themselves that a player from another team was going to blow up when they signed him, only to be sitting on a bad contract a year later after they realize that no magic had happened.
From what I can tell, Jeffries is effective offensively in two spots on the floor: inside and on the perimeter. Going by stats, his midrange jumper seems to be worse than his so-so 3 point shot. When he comes to the Spurs, he may get more open 3s on the perimeter, but he's likely to get fewer open baskets inside, which is where most of his points come from now. Maybe that adds up to a net positive, but maybe it doesn't.
Would I overpay for Jeffries? no. Intentionally overpaying is rarely ever a good idea. It's hard enough trying to build a roster with moves that you think are good ones at the time, because there are a lot of risks in any move. When you start making desperate moves just for the sake of making a move, that's when things really have a knack for blowing up in your face.
Either we get him for what he's worth or we should pass.
Next, you talk about getting Brent Barry and Rasho Nesterovic, and how they didn't blossom here. Well, the way I would look at that is that we already knew what Barry and Rasho were all about....they had no untapped potenital. Barry had already bounced around the league, and Rasho Nesterovic had already started, played along a great player in KG, and was not going to get any better....he was what he was.
Jeffries on the other hand has the physcial tools to get better, and is still really young and raw. He suffered a serious injury early on in his career, and after that....he's been getting minutes here and there, or starting on occassions because of other players injuries. He has not gotten the opportunity that he has hoped for.
Finally, I don't even know how well you know Jeffries game. He is not perimeter oriented, nor is he even effective from there. Can he make a 3? Sure. But, thats not his game, and Pop is not going to allow him to even shoot it. Jeffries would score he by doing what he does best....finishing off what the guards dish out to him in the paint, cut in the lanes, dunks, and possibly a short jump shot game if he can become consistent there.
Who knows...maybe he does have a 3pt game, but he sure has not displayed it in his career yet....and he for sure is not effective from there.
That's all true except he's 24, has shown 0% improvement in his offensive game in his 4 years in the league, can't hit a three, and is an absolutely terrible finisher (read the other posts before you post. ESPN Insider scouting report, plus the link to his stats^^.).
Other players on big contracts sounds like a good reason to not give one to Jeffries. The Spurs could send a nice veteran shooter the Wizards' way (Barry) or they could send them a nice young point (Udrih).
The Wizards are said to be matching any offers up to the MLE. If that is the case, it's time to end this courtship. JJeff isn't that good to begin with ... especially for > MLE.
Tying up MLE money for 7 days is murder with this fast-flying FA class. Can't take that risk.
I think that's a bluff. They are loaded with SFs and have a Jeffries clone in the D-League.
If they're trying to get rid of Haywood, that opens many possibilities.
Well, if there's one thing that DOES improve about players who come here, it's normally their 3 point shooting. DA was a career 29% shooter from 3, and he shot 40% his first (and only) year in SA.
Barry was a whopping 10 point scorer in SEA. He might actually score that here if he would SHOOT once in a while.
Jeffries for his career is about a 25% shooter on anything outside of the paint. That's just disgusting.
How he'd fit on the Spurs I'd never know.
He's 30% from outside the arc, career. How bad could his 18 footer be?
At IU he was pretty money from outside. What the happened?
Bad.
This season, any shot outside the paint he shot 30%. Last season it was 26%. The year before that it was 20%. In the playoffs this year he shot 19% on anything outside of the paint.
Unless the Spurs want to sign a top five worst perimeter shooting swingman in the league and spend most of the MLE on him, I'd seriously consider going elsewhere.
Well, it doesn't look like SA is after him, anyway. Any word on Jumaine?
People forget that we have a decent shooting coach?
Yeah pass on that long small forward
People forget that we have a decent shooting coach?
Yeah pass on that long small forward
What exactly has this magical shooting coach done? Tony shot better but once upon a time he could hit threes pretty regularly, so it's not like Chip taught TP from scratch. What else has he done?
The Suns are looking at Jumaine Jones, now that TT is with the Clipps.
His shot doesn't make me gag now. It looks semi-notfugly.
What exactly has this magical shooting coach done? Tony shot better but once upon a time he could hit threes pretty regularly, so it's not like Chip taught TP from scratch. What else has he done?
Oops. I did actually know that -- I don't know what the happened when I was typing.
And yet Rasho's and Barry's stats didn't merely fail to improve, they got noticeably worse.
He's had four seasons in the league -- if he's still that raw, there's no guarantee the light's going to suddenly go on. And he started 77 games this year, so it's not like he hasn't gotten chances.
Look -- for all I know, this guy could suddenly start dropping 30, 15, and 10 next year. But I do know that if you go around making offers based on what a guy might conceivably do, you're going to end up with some horrible salaries on your books. Study Cuban's first few years in Dallas for examples.
He shot 32% from 3 -- that's not great, but it's not completely hopeless. If you don't think he's going to shoot 3s more effectively, I really don't understand why you're pimping him.
Yeah, he has an decent inside game. Or he does in Washington, where they have a lineup full of dangerous perimeter players that create some room to work in the paint. In San Antonio, he'll be playing next to Duncan, who works in the paint. He'll be playing with two starting guards who are most dangerous driving to the basket. If you think there's going to be a lot of room inside for him to consistently receive the ball 4 feet from the basket and score, I think you're deeply mistaken.
What exactly has this magical shooting coach done? Tony shot better but once upon a time he could hit threes pretty regularly, so it's not like Chip taught TP from scratch. What else has he done?
You don't think Parker is shooting more consistently now that England is on board???
Hes fixed Duncan's FTs to a degree. Look at the percentage in the playoffs...
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