Portal to Intelligence Do ents

[ChumpDumper]

The war was not about do ents.

[Yonivore]

You're right, the war was about the threat Saddam Hussein posed to the rest of the world. I find it funny you don't have the intellectual curiosity to look at the do ents being uncovered from the former regime.

I found yet another interesting piece of information regarding Saddam Hussein's pursuit of WMD. In a summary of a larger do ent, the translators found that Iraq had restarted its processing of castor-bean extraction, from which ricin can be developed -- and that UNMOVIC discovered it in December 2002.

From CMPC-2003-003766-HT.pdf:

Ricin toxin is found in the bean of the castor plant. UNMOVIC inspections since December 2002 have verified that the bombed caster oil extraction plant at Fallujah III has been reconstructed on a larger scale.

Undeclared BW agents, there are a number of microorganisms and toxins that have been developed as BW agents by several countries, including Bacillus anthracis (anthrax), Clostridium bottalinum toxin, Yersinia pestis (plague), Francisella tularensis (tularemia), Brucella species (Brucellosis) Coxiella burnetti (Q fever) and Variola major (smallpox). Drying of BW Agents, BW agents are produced by a process that usually results in a liquid product, for example bacteria in an aqueous suspension, or toxins in an aquesous or organic solution.

Bacterial BW agent production, this requires certain equipment, typically a fomenter and down stream processing equipment such as separators and settling tanks. Also required for the production of bacterial BW agents are nutrients that are dissolved in water and added to the fermenter. The lack of supporting do entation makes it difficult for UNMOVIC to confirm Iraq's figures on the quan ies of bacterial BW agent produced.

Genetic Engineering and Viral Research. Genetic Engineering, a process whereby an organism's genetic material is modified, has many medical and industrial applications. BW Agent Stimulants are chemicals or microorganisms that have very similar characteristics and properties to a biological warfare agent.

UNMOVIC inspections and Iraqi declarations confirm that Iraq continues working with organisms that could be used as BW agent stimulates. The do ents display after each section the actions that Iraq could take to help in resolving the issue and convincing the UN inspection teams that the activity have stopped or were fruitless and so on.

So here we have confirmation that Iraq continued to work on WMD, and that the new UNMOVIC inspections verified that. We had previously heard from the mainstream media that UNMOVIC only found that the Iraqis still refused to cooperate fully with the inspections, but this puts a little different light on the situation as the UN found it as they debated how to deal with Iraq. Even with Saddam actively pursuing WMD, as it turns out, they refused to take any action except to propose extended inspections.

Another point seems rather interesting here. The third paragraph seems to match up pretty well with the CIA/DIA description of the mobile laboratories discovered shortly after the invasion of Iraq:

Common elements between the source’s description and the trailers include a control panel, fermentor, water tank, holding tank, and two sets of gas cylinders. One set of gas cylinders was reported to provide clean gases—oxygen and nitrogen—for production, and the other set captured exhaust gases, concealing signatures of BW agent production.

The discovered trailers also incorporate air-stirred fermentors, which the source reported were part of the second-generation plant design.

Once again, it looks like Saddam's own do entation makes it clear that he had never stopped working on WMD programs. This time, it also shows that UNMOVIC and the UNSC knew it.

Hans Blix never mentioned ricin or castor beans in his UN presentation on March 7, 2003. In fact, it never even mentions the word "violation" once.

[ChumpDumper]

We were led to believe Saddam was in possession of WMDs he was ready and willing to use on the US at any moment.

So, where are the WMDs the administration and the Army would actually count as WMDs?

[Yonivore]

We were led to believe Saddam was in possession of WMDs he was ready and willing to use on the US at any moment.

So, where are the WMDs the administration and the Army would actually count as WMDs?

Well, it's been speculated, with some supporting evidence, they were moved to Syria on modified commercial jetliners.

So, if they have all this do entation that shows Saddam Hussein was still in the WMD business, you won't be convinced until they show up?

[ChumpDumper]

That's right.

And if these WMDs actuially exist, we're much less safe now than before when they were held by a man who wouldn't even use them against the US in defense of his own regime.

Twice.

[Yonivore]

That's right.

And if these WMDs actuially exist, we're much less safe now than before when they were held by a man who wouldn't even use them against the US in defense of his own regime.

Twice.

Yeah, nevermind that al Qaeda was flowing into Iraq from Afghanistan. Nevermind they were being trained at Salman Pak. Nevermind that there had been a relationship, over chemical weapons, going back to the early 90's.

Nah, no chance Saddam Hussein was going to share this stuff with bin Laden. Right?

[George Gervin's Afro]

Yeah, nevermind that al Qaeda was flowing into Iraq from Afghanistan. Nevermind they were being trained at Salman Pak. Nevermind that there had been a relationship, over chemical weapons, going back to the early 90's.

Nah, no chance Saddam Hussein was going to share this stuff with bin Laden. Right?

But what the let's just start an unecessary war woohoo!!

[Yonivore]

But what the let's just start an unecessary war woohoo!!

Explain, again, exactly why it is unnecessary?

Because from where I sit, I see this:

1) Iraq continuing, in spite of multiple UNSC resolutions, their WMD Program.

2) Iraq getting cozy with al Qaeda.

3) Iraq plying Russia, France, and Germany (with OFF) to undermine the sanctions so they can ramp up their Nuclear program.

4) Iraq continuing to provide financial support to Palestinian terror organizations. (I only add this because it demonstrates that he was operating pretty much with impugnity, otherwise, he'd have more to say grace over in his own country and, therefore, unable to give aid and comfort to the PLO, HAMAS, et. al.)

5) Al Qaeda flowing into Iraq from the fighting in Afghanistan.

6) Salman Pak training facility that, coincidentally, has just the equipment needed to help terrorists figure out how to hijack airliners and fly them into buildings.

7) Iraq's Ecological and Environmental terrorism to the wetlands in Southern Iraq.

8) Iraq's mass murder of Shi'ites to the South and Kurds to the North -- After the '91 ceasefire.

9) Repeated acts of aggression against coalition military assets operating in the agreed to no-fly zones over the past decade.

10) Iraq's failure to declare, disclose, and destroy ALL WMD assets -- as agreed to in the '91 ceasefire.

11) Iraq's failure to return to Kuwait the prisoners and plunder taken in the '90 invasion of that country -- as agreed to in the '91 ceasefire.

12) Evidence that Iraq moved Kuwaiti prisoners -- illegally held since '90 -- to act as human shields during the expected Coalition invasion of '03.

13) Iraq's humanitarian offenses against its own people in diverting OFF funds to military and regime expenses.

So, again, what made this war unnecessary?