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Scary part is that people like you are.
War in the name of religion has been around for centuries and Christianity cannot call itself a peacefull religion either. And I'm a Christian.
Scary part is that people like you are.
You miss the point, Joe.
Are there violent Christians? Yep. There have been for centuries, all of whom had to pervert their religions in order to pursue their violent aims.
Unfortunately, Muslims don't have to pervert their religion in order to find justification for violence. The peaceful Muslims have to ignore fundamental tenets of their faith in order to remain peaceful.
That's the difference.
Scary for terrorists and dictators, I suppose.
This Dark Reign fella was the same guy who advocated that we wipe out the whole middle east.
Wow, when he changes position he doesn't mess around, eh?This Dark Reign fella was the same guy who advocated that we wipe out the whole middle east.
He is very careful not to piss off the resident moonbats too much or step on their toes.
He will poke fun at the nbadan's but will try to compensate by going after conservatives with an asshole left of Extra Stunt.
Not sure that's true. Heard many a Muslim argue the abrogation principle in reverse, or claim that Mohammed's warmongering was a special dispensation during the initial expansion of Islam.
Not fluent in Arabic, so have to take their word that they aren't lying to me.
Let's see. when Mohammed was outnumbered in Mecca, he wrote all those peaceful passages.
When he was exiled in Medina, and enlarged his following, then he grew balls and made his outragous declarations, and from then on we never hear of the peaceful Mohammed again.
Let's see, you want to know the reason why the uproar of the danish cartoons. All you have to point to in the quran is the passage where the lady poet who spoke bad of mohammed, was brutally murdered and stabbed to death along with her unborn baby, and Mohammed excused the killer because he thought it was noble to kill on that reason.
Let's see, when the Romans wanted to apprehend Jesus, Peter drew blood, but jesus restrained him.
1. In the bible, christianity was spread through the blood of martyrs who were killed for the name of God.
2. In the Quran, Islam spread through warfare.
Geez, this should be easy as to which book advocates their believers to be violent.
So, where is the Muslim outrage at those that are allegedly perverting their religion?
There are more Imams in more mosques preaching jihad than not.
I believe the Muslims you've been talking to probably don't hit the mat five times a day and pray to Mecca. I know the Muslims I associate with don't...and, yes, they say the same thing as those you associate with.
But, again, they don't practice the other fundamental requirements of the faith, such as call to prayer...like the majority of Muslims in the world. And, they don't get bent over disrespecting the Koran, nor do many of their wives wear Burkas.
You're talking to Americanized, or acclimated, Muslims. They don't represent the majority. In fact, there are many, in America, with whom you probably don't associate, that would behead those who've said that to you.
You can't judge Muslim religious adherence based on those Muslims that will talk to an infidel.
Please just shut up and leave. You are not intelligent enough to debate other humans. You have the reading comprehension of a potato.
I'm well aware that it is much easier to justify violence out of the Qu'ran than it is out of the Bible. If you will scroll up, you will read my saying so. I however disagree that violence is a fundamental tenet of Islam, based upon my discussions and experiences with devout and well-educated Muslims fluent in the Koran. If violence is in fact a tenet of Islam, then either these people are putting on an elaborate ruse with their demeanor and lifestyle, or they somehow have managed to miss the point of their faith despite studying it and practicing it so diligently.
Don't get me wrong, I've also known a couple of wild-eyed Muslim Arabs staggering about rambling on about the murderous Jews. I would have a hard time calling them the experts, though.
If I had to say there was a difference, it is that most of the Muslims I have met are South and Southeast Asian, as opposed to Arab. And they tend to be very highly educated.
And yes, they have been highly devout for the most part.
So, you disagree that it is a fundamental tenet of Islam that everyone should be Muslim or dead?
Extra Stout: But, but, but,........ ah shooks, i give up!
Christians are violent too.
(In a conceeding pussilanomous Dark Reignian Fashion) BOth ChristianS and Muslims should be slaughtered. They're all evil.
Yes I disagree. Proof in the Quran....................
Okay, let's hear it.
Lets see, i said that the quran advocates, that means it clearly states justification for violence, you earlier said that the Quran, could be interpreted to justify violence.
Now who has the comprehension problem?
THat's right dumbass.
And if you get your source on islam from muslims themselves, how do you expect to hear anything damning of that religion.
But you're right. We're not apt to argue with each other. It's a waste of my time.
There is no compulsion in religion." (The Qur'an 2:256)
"Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabaeans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness their wage awaits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow." (Q. 2:62)
"If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind against their will to believe!" (Q. 10:99)
"To you your religion, and to me my religion." (Q. 109:6)
"Fight in the way of God with those who fight with you, but aggress not: God loves not the aggressors (2:190)"
More?
What you will hear will be surah's of how prophet instructed his people to be loving towards the people of the book(christians and Jews).
Later on though those surah's are made worthless when you read on how Mohammed peacefully slaughtered Chrisitans, Greeks, Gypsys, and JEws, and after that made the remainder pay a tribute tax to Isam.
Then you will hear Extra Stink come here and tell us of how he heard his fellow muslims say that the latter verses are abrogated by the earlier.
Such herculian logic is being used here.
Let's see.
An officer tells Extra Stout to get out of the car, but then tells him to get back in the car. Extra Stout then refuses because the cop's earlier statement abrogated the command he heard now, so now Extra Stout is getting jumped for resisting.
But why argue? Extra Stout will ask muslims if their book advocates violence, and that will be enough. Followed by Extra Stout asking Oj if he ever committed the murders, and asking Farrakhan if the white man was created by a mad scientist in africa.
Inconclusion. Extra Stout's experiences are the moral authority here. Just give up.
So is the point that we should wipe out Muslims because their religion advocates or provides a justification for violence?
So basically, you don't care about the written proof.What you will hear will be surah's of how prophet instructed his people to be loving towards the people of the book(christians and Jews).
Later on though those surah's are made worthless when you read on how Mohammed peacefully slaughtered Chrisitans, Greeks, Gypsys, and JEws, and after that made the remainder pay a tribute tax to Isam.
Then you will hear Extra Stink come here and tell us of how he heard his fellow muslims say that the latter verses are abrogated by the earlier.
Such herculian logic is being used here
Let's see.
An officer tells Extra Stout to get out of the car, but then tells him to get back in the car. Extra Stout then refuses because the cop's earlier statement abrogated the command he heard now, so now Extra Stout is getting jumped for resisting.
But why argue? Extra Stout will ask muslims if their book advocates violence, and that will be enough. Followed by Extra Stout asking Oj if he ever committed the murders, and asking Farrakhan if the white man was created by a mad scientist in africa.
Inconclusion. Extra Stout's experiences are the moral authority here. Just give up.
I guess your point is that no one can believe that Islam advocates violence because then we would have to kill them, and thus your PC world would not stay intact.
Please elaborate, because no one on this board with the exception of Dark Reign has promoted that.
The written proof is contradictory and you know this. What's the point. You're just going to say that the peaceful verses carry more weight.
So YOU don't advocate violence, but you're willing to kill 2 billion people?
You can easily read Ancient Arabic and translate from Ancient Arabic to Arabic to English. Also you use fake sources and sources that are from people who obiviously hate Muslims.
P.S If you want contradiction, all Religous texts have contradictions...........
Also.........sources???
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