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Oberto?
First Butler has to accept the offer.
Oberto?
That's what I was assuming as well.
I'm sure there was some sort of communication b/w the Spurs and Javtokas about what was going on...so he didn't 'assume' anything. But maybe they told him "we would like to get one of these two, we're not sure we will though so we are signing both to offer sheets and will most likely get one and possibly get both so just be aware for some reason we get both we may not be able to sign you" sort of deal...
Maybe Javtokas just didn't want to take the chance, and felt someone slapped in the face.
I can only hope in my wildest dreams RC is frantically calling Javtokas, Javtokas's agent and Javtokas's family trying to tell him not to sign that contract, for God's sake-- there's still the LLE or something.
I still am not sure how could the knicks match an offer if they are so much over the cap already??
Stupid decision.
I think he will. Playing next to Duncan after going undrafted is a huge opportunity, and who the wants to play in NY?
I think people are overreacting a bit though. Yeah Tim is the only good big man we have, but outside of the big men, our team is damn good. We just need some to stick in the middle who can rebound.
Yeah, I'm a little confused by this article. It reads like they've already signed them to offer sheets, but all it's actually said is that they've made offers to these players.
They can only have one more player under contract I think.
I don't think that's the case at all. The Spurs couldn't get a deal closed by today, so they had to move forward with their best option. If they land Elson and/or Butler, those guys can't be part of a trade for a while, but the Spurs can still move forward with any trades involving anyone else.
For example, if the right deal came along, they could ship out Oberto as part of a deal for another big man and plant Elson on the inactive list.
"it's the end of the world as we know it...."
<r.e.m. song>
Actually, they would have to cut someone with a guaranteed contract to match the offer.
Well, if the Spurs did get both Elson and Butler, I wouldn't mind Butler starting with Elson backing him up.
In many Euro countries, contract signers have 7-days or so to back out of a contract.
But I can't imagine that RC/Pop are so stupid and out of it as to be surprised that Javtokas signed elsewhere.
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Well I for once am going to put my faith in these guys. I have no clue what they are doing but well see what happens. My girl Kate Hudson is on TRL so thats gonna help me cope with this
If the contract is guaranteed, how can they do that? That being said though, I don't think they will match the offer. I'm glad the Spurs went after him though.
Shag- TRL is happening downstairs as we speak (I work in the MTV building). You should have heard the screams 11 floors up when Beyonce was on.
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I'm so pissed and despairing I can't get work done.
Why can't the Spurs start the season with what they have?? We have Duncan, Parker, Ginobili, and Finley, and that alone should secure a top 4 spot in the west.
Javtokas' is greatly overrated by Spurs fans, right now as it stands the Spurs are soft at the C position, but Duncan is very capable of filling that roll until the right guy comes along.
They have to pay the player his salary even though he isn't on their roster -- unless another team signs the player off waivers and assumes the contract.
We need Danny Ferry back. WTF is Presti thinking?
I'm not sure if it's possible...
But I think the only way we don't get these guys now is if ANOTHER team (not there teams) make a better offer, no? Denvers seems set with there bigs, and NY is salary cap ed.
MB is right. Holt is fiscally conservative *cough* cheap SOB! *cough*
As we talked about in the thread last night, I don't understand the move for Elson. I really don't.
However, I will say this. Every article (I'm not saying I agree with them) that has been written by Ludden this offseason has stated that they weren't even sure Robertas could crack the rotation. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Spurs really aren't that high on him. If they're willing to go after Fransisco Elson over him then I'm not sure what to say.
I would definetly rather have Robertas, but thats pretty much shot. It sounds like there was some behind the scenes stuff going on that nobody understands. It really sucks though, I was amped about the guy.
As far as Butler goes, bring that kid on down! I'm very excited about the prospect of seeing him in a Spurs jersey. Hopefully that happens.
"start the season with what they have"
Why? Why? Why? Why? Tim is our entire front court.
I doubt Bonner is gonna play down low and/or turn himself into a top rebounder.
No offense, but read what you're saying...
We are extremely soft at the C position. In fact, we really don't have one. Javtokas is strong, athletic, and aggressive.
No one is overrating him. He's a good defensive center who rebounds and blocks shots. This is simple math for the denizens of this board, but must be high level calculus for Presti, R.C. et al.
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