oblivious to your baseless assumptions and circular logic, yes.
Scola and Javtokas are actually doing the smart thing. By not signing with the Spurs for peanuts, they're forcing their rights to be traded. Their rights will be traded to an NBA team that 1) values them; and 2) will pay them market. They'll get their market contracts.
So, by taking less this year, Javtokas might be looking at an excellent payday in the next couple years. Excellent = what he's worth. Same with Scola.
Good luck with GM'ing on the cheap.
Could our Euros be any more overrated?
With any luck, RJ will get that extra $210,000.
Market value is set by the customer. The Spurs are Javaktovas' ONE AND ONLY customer in the NBA. They set his value at the LLE. Thats what it is. Unless they set it higher, he's not getting more than that to play in the NBA.
@ this guy continously calling us oblivious and stupid and wondering why we dont' get it. We get it fine dude, but we disagree with you.
Forcing their rights to be traded? Ok, nobody wants Scola. The Spurs were unable to move his rights this offseason. So what does that say bout Scola's market value.
Secondly, you really think theres enough interest in the leauge to garner a trade for Javaktovas' rights?
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if other teams valued scola so much, wouldn't they be beating our doors down looking to trade for his rights? if these players are as coveted as you think they are, we should get something decent in return.
I think jav will be traded
cavs and mem never even offered anything for scola they wanted him but no formal offer was even made
Failed economics, eh? Fine. The Market includes all players in the pile, which includes the NBA and players in European leagues. This is regardless of whether the Spurs are the only NBA team they have to deal with. They still know how much they are worth. And they see the Spurs lowballing them.Market value is set by the customer. The Spurs are Javaktovas' ONE AND ONLY customer in the NBA. They set his value at the LLE. Thats what it is. Unless they set it higher, he's not getting more than that to play in the NBA.
What we're talking about is WHY JAVTOKAS WILL NOT ACCEPT THE LLE. That's the reason why. He's worth more than that. And Scola, minus his buyout, is certainly worth more. Maybe eventually they accept the LLE out of extreme desparation... maybe. Maybe eventually Javtokas accepts worse than he should demand. But developing a history of this is going to 1) piss off agents, 2) piss off players. San Antonio develops a reputation for not paying rates? Nice. Look at a lot of shut doors all over Europe.
You are wrong about this, too:
There was interest in Scola this year, but his buyout is still too much to handle, especially since the Spurs were asking for 1st rounders or the like. Next year may be different.
There will be interest in Javtokas. There are many, many teams that would be excited about an athletic, tough, young, shotblocking center for an extremely cheap $2-$2.5M pricetag. If the Spurs can't bring him over next year, they'll certainly be moving his rights.
Read the above: with a large buyout and the Spurs' price tag (a first rounder is what we heard), this year it was too much.
There will be interest in Javtokas. There are many, many teams that would be excited about an athletic, tough, young, shotblocking center for an extremely cheap $2-$2.5M pricetag. If the Spurs can't bring him over next year, they'll certainly be moving his rights.
Again, this dispute was over $210,000. Rudoy miscalculated.
why?
his market value was not that high?
I think spurs would have came to terms with scola had they thought he could play 20-25 minutes a game on the spurs
scola is worth atleast a first round pick so why not leave him over there tell next year when the buyout is lower?
That's exactly why he should've come to the Spurs as soon as possible for whatever money. In one or two years he'd be a free agent in the NBA and he'd be able to sign wherever they'd pay him the big bucks, that is unless he did nothing in the big leagues...
Who knows what the market will be then? Other teams tend to be crazy with their spending. I don't think Garbajosa is worth $4M. I happen to think Oberto, Macijauskas, and Jacikevicius were all overpaid; in retrospect, they were all badly overpaid, but even at the time they were getting too much money. This has made it hard for the Spurs, since they don't like to spend that kind of scratch on unproven players (but they stupidly did, with Oberto).
So who knows where things go?
Rudoy didn't miscalculate. He thought the negotiations were ongoing. Send a contract... send it back... send a new figure... send it back. That's how it goes. Rudoy sent back the first contract...Again, this dispute was over $210,000. Rudoy miscalculated.
And never got another one. The Spurs about-faced and went in an entirely new direction.
How is that NOT a miscalculation?Rudoy didn't miscalculate. He thought the negotiations were ongoing. Send a contract... send it back... send a new figure... send it back. That's how it goes. Rudoy sent back the first contract...
And never got another one. The Spurs about-faced and went in an entirely new direction.
I honestly think he would have taken slightly more than they offered; he might have even taken the LLE. What was stunning to him - and to me, and to most observers - is that negotiations completely stopped. The Spurs just... didn't offer him the next contract. Had he known they'd do that, he might have taken the less money, as you describe.
I happen to think he's easily worth more than that, and I've been talking about why he and his agent would have refused the first round of contracts.
I also think the Spurs made a big mistake by pulling out of negotiations.
spurs told jav to wait
jav I CAN NOT I might break my leg....
Alright, yes, in a way it was a miscalculation, but on a completely different level. So yes, oh wizard, in a matter of semantics you are right.How is that NOT a miscalculation?
what do you think jav's numbers would have been in the nba this season MR BODY
The Spurs didn't pull out of negotiations. They were going to come back if one of the MLE deals was matched. So Rudoy and Javtokas actually ended any chance of further negotiations.
for $210,000.
Actually less money when you consider the years.
Hope he stays healthy.
I think he'd be a Spur today if his buyout wasn't there. I don't buy the "he can't play next to Duncan" business; if he was cheaper, they would have given it a shot.
Scola might be worth a first round pick. I certainly hope so. This buyout insanity is still unclear, whether it actually goes down next year or not.
We're unclear here, too. What was communicated to Javtokas' camp? AFAIK, they just called to say they were "going in a different direction." RJ unfortunately had a deadline from Panathinaikos and did the smart thing of taking it. We don't know if he's happy about it or not; he's had to move regardless.
Failed English, eh? The term was Market Value, not the market. And I said his NBA Market value. I think it has pretty much been established that if he wants to make more in Europe, then no one cares and he can right ahead and do so. If he wants to play in the NBA, he's going to do so at whatever the Spurs are willing to pay him because they are the only ones setting his Market Value.
Everyone knows why Javaktovas won't accept the LLE. He thinks he should get more money. Thats fine, but what he thinks should be reality and what the reality actually is are 2 completely different things.
What we're talking about is WHY JAVTOKAS WILL NOT ACCEPT THE LLE. That's the reason why. He's worth more than that. And Scola, minus his buyout, is certainly worth more. Maybe eventually they accept the LLE out of extreme desparation... maybe. Maybe eventually Javtokas accepts worse than he should demand. But developing a history of this is going to 1) piss off agents, 2) piss off players. San Antonio develops a reputation for not paying rates? Nice. Look at a lot of shut doors all over Europe.
The Spurs have all kinds of connections in Europe. I'm not worried about closed doors. I have no idea what kind of misguided judgement has lead you to believe that the Spurs using the leverage they have against these players in negotiations is going to hurt them in the long run, but it is judgement that apparently fails to understand exactly what is involved in contract negotiations.
Your logic is so ing stupid. You claim Scola's buyout isn't what is driving up his price, then you turn around and say its scaring teams away. Why is it scaring teams away? If a team is willing to pay 4-5 million a year for Scola, what the do they care what it goes to?You are wrong about this, too:
There was interest in Scola this year, but his buyout is still too much to handle, especially since the Spurs were asking for 1st rounders or the like. Next year may be different.
There will be interest in Javtokas. There are many, many teams that would be excited about an athletic, tough, young, shotblocking center for an extremely cheap $2-$2.5M pricetag. If the Spurs can't bring him over next year, they'll certainly be moving his rights.
The team isn't going to pay a significant portion of the buyout, Scola is. Thats the only damn reason his going rate is so high. If he doesn't get a contract of that size, he can't afford to pay his buyout. It has nothing to do with his talent level.
Whats more ironic is that you think the if the Spurs trade these players rights the players win but the Spurs lose. If these players are as overvalued by other leauge GMs as they are by you, then you could possibly see those 2nd round picks parlayed into 1st round picks by the Spurs. Yeah, really devistating for the Spurs. It hurts man, it hurts.
Again, we don't know if the Spurs knew there was a deadline to the Panathinaikos offer. Perhaps they didn't. If, then, messing up happened on both sides and, to use your parlance, the Spurs also miscalculated.
It's a stupid business, but it winds up hurting the Spurs a lot. Again, we'll see with the Elson and Butler resolutions. If we get both, then we're in good shape.
You're ing re ed. You can't even keep your message the same in one paragraph.
You're confused. Scola's contract demands are so high because of the buyout, which should be obvious to you. Teams balked at the double price of 1) trading a valuable 1st round pick to the Spurs for him, then 2) paying him a very large salary.
It's pretty simple.
i'm pretty sure his contract is done after this season.
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