I work with youth. Jr Highers. I know a lot of young girls around that age who still are trying to gain love and acceptance from their parents. Its not too hard to believe that she got sucked into this. At that age kids (especaily girls) are going through a lot emotionally. Its easy to manipulate kids that age. Unfortunately it happens alot.
I hope and pray that not a single one of you is ever a victim of sexual abuse or even knows someone who is. Will society ever change? Will it ever quit looking for some way to say she was asking for it- she wanted it- she was getting something for it. And you wonder why females are still so afraid to say anything or to come forward.
This reminds me of the Naomi Fuentes thread, where everyone was assuming she HAD to be an abused wife and thats why she was missing. The husband HAD to be a suspect. There's NO WAY a mother could just leave her children.The stupid was stealing and left her husband and her kids.
I HOPE, really I do that the girl wasn't in on this. But if she was of sound mind and thought she could get away with being a , then hopefully she doesn't try out the "victim" angle.
Naomi Fuentes wasn't 15 years old...This reminds me of the Naomi Fuentes thread, where everyone was assuming she HAD to be an abused wife and thats why she was missing. The husband HAD to be a suspect. There's NO WAY a mother could just leave her children.
I HOPE, really I do that the girl wasn't in on this. But if she was of sound mind and thought she could get away with being a , then hopefully she doesn't try out the "victim" angle.
Friday, August 11, 2006
By Theresa D. Mcclellan
The Grand Rapids Press
Lowell- Stanley Lenneman "mocked the suffering" of cancer victims by claiming he had the disease and collecting donations, Circuit Court Judge Dennis Leiber said before sentencing the Saranac man to prison.
Leiber on Thursday sentenced Lenneman, 35, to nearly two years in prison. He previously pleaded guilty to a charge of false pretense of more than $1,000 but less than $20,000.
"You defrauded a whole community and your mother," Leiber said. The judge remarked that Lenneman received letters from true cancer survivors. "You mocked their suffering. You scorned the compassion."
Businesses put canisters on counters to collect money for Lenneman, fund-raisers were organized and family members gave him money, and he eventually collected more than $10,000 before being discovered.
Defense attorney Alida Bryant told the judge that Lenneman's offense should be counted as "one big lie out of control," instead of multiple offenses and asked that he be sentenced between zero and 17 months in prison.
But Leiber listened to her argument, then seemed angry when Lenneman failed to speak for himself.
Lenneman leaned over to his attorney, who told the judge that her client felt remorse for his actions.
"You can't beg forgiveness. You claimed you had cancer, but you can't ask for forgiveness?" Leiber asked.
Lenneman said yes, he could speak, then said he got "caught up" and "it is now time for me to repay. It will take a lifetime
It looks like the Western half of Michigan has a total of three new souls that will be entering when their time comes.
BTW, I don't think a 15 year-old whose mom thinks her boyfriend needs to have someone to screw while she is recovering from surgery is someone who raised her daughter with healthy ideas about sex.
^What does that story have to do with this?
We're talking about a 15 year old here. She is the victim no matter what. The mother and boyfriend are adults who obviously knew they could get this teenager to go for the deal. Maybe she did see the whole "I get something out it," but she is 15. She is naive. She hasn't experienced life too much. She hasn't even been in high school for more than one year. She just got out of middle school. She isn't even old enough to drive. I'm sure she knows right from wrong when it comes to a lot of things, but the two adults in this case are responsible for her. No matter how you try to spin this, she is not at fault. She is a victim of two adults looking out for themselves.
^
I live within a 30 mile raduis of where both of these stories took place, so I was just commenting about how f'ed up it is to have both of these stories come to light within a few days of each other.
Exactly.
I guess I'm just hoping that the girl was in on this scheme. That way, it wouldn't seem like she was a perfect little girl who got taken advantage of. If she was part of the plan, then at least she was already ed up to begin with. I hope everyone understands what I'm saying.
I agree with you - I just don't think anyone will understand where we're coming from.
Ah well.
It's insane that people are actually questioning the girl in this...
Girl = Child
Children don't know what's best for them.
Even if she was thrilled with this idea...she's still a child.
Mom and Dad = Parents
Parents are supposed to know what's best for their children and nurture and guide them until they are adults.
Whoring your daughter out to keep a worthless POS around and using her as payment to keep him around = ty parenting.
Wether she thinks it's a good idea or not...
Teaching her to be a and selling her is ty parenting and ty guidance...
Anyone that doesn't see that is ing stupid and hopefully you don't have kids.
10 year old shoots someone after Parent buys and loads the gun and points the gun at the victim...
Spurs Talk Dumbass Response...well the kid wanted the gun and wanted to shoot someone....it's his fault for doing it.
Don't reproduce please...if not for the sake of the world, then for the sake of your kids.
Last edited by whottt; 08-11-2006 at 03:40 PM.
I haven't read the rest of this thread yet but... There is a reason 15 year olds can't legally sign contracts. They aren't mature enough to make rational decisions. The portion of your brain that controls logic, reasoning & rational thought is not completely developed until after you are are 18.
The simple fact is that she was manipulated into sex and that is illegal to do with a 15 year old. It is also illegal and unconscionable for her mother to manipulate and put her into that situation. As a parent your job is to keep your children safe ( and under the law she is still a child). This woman deserves to have her parental rights taken away. If you stick a lollipop or a puppy dog in front of a 6 year old they will follow you anywhere and you can take them and do unimaginable things to them. Same thing goes for teenagers, it just the bait that's different. This time it was piercings, clothes, etc... Predators are experts at knowing how to read their prey. The last thing this girl needs is for people to be second guessing her and telling her that what happened to her is her fault. She needs counseling and help and needs to know it wasn't her fault. She probably didn't speak up because they made her feel guilty because of what she was getting out of it. Pure manipulation!!
As if it needed to be said, I agree with whottt, Kori, et.al. WTF is wrong with you people?
So at 15, one cannot think for themselves?
1, it's increasing my post count because all I'm posting is dribble with people who don't realize that someone at 15 can think for themselves and heaven forbid they make a decision ... 2) we're not disagreeing that this is probably entirely the parents fault, you guys just can't seem to grasp, yet again, that a 15 year old might think for themselves and see this as a way to gain something, doubly by getting the items and then claiming rape. They can be just as cunning as the parents were feeling.
I'm curious, are you or have you ever been a 15 year old girl? Are you the parent of a teenage girl?
They're not gonna understand. Maybe because they believe 15 year olds these days aren't capable of shooting up a school, selling drugs, and being a .
1) I'm a guy and I was 15 at one point - always pissed me off that people still saw me as a kid.
2) No, I'm not but I interact with a family member who is that age quite a bit - and hear the things she's done and is willing to do ... which I try and talk her out of. Her friends have always said they don't care about sex, because it's just that ... sex. You have a girl that age, am I right? You probably raised her good - and she doesn't think like that ... unfortunately, my her parents are and treat both her and her brother like ... so like I said, I'm not ing dismissing the fact that this is probably her parents fault, BUT SHE CAN MAKE A CONCIOUS DECISION FOR HERSELF. Or do you still think they can't?
Claiming it was rape? It was rape....no ifs ands or butts about it...
I don't care if the girl got on the bed, took her clothes off and begged him to do it...
It's still rape.
Look, it's more than a fair bet that this isn't the only ed up thing that has ever happened to this girl. The question isn't whether she can think for herself, the question is was she even in a position where she had a real choice. If you think about the real power and influence your parents had on you growing up, you'd realize how faulty this line of thinking is.
rape1( P ) Pronunciation Key (r
p)
n.
from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rape%20
- The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
- The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
- Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
From what you just said, that's not the definition bro, sorry. Now, in the middle of intercorse, in Texas, a girl can say no and if the guy doesn't stop, that's rape ... but as long as it's consentual and within the age limits, 17+, that's legal intercourse.
No idea about Michigan.
Age of consent in Michigan is 16.
It's rape.
Assuming of course she was raised properly and had the difference between right and wrong instilled into her as well. Seeing how ed up the mom is, that is a huge assumption to make.
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