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    It's time to turn off the wingnut radio for the day and look at some real substance, on all the important issues, domesic, and even the war on terra, it's Democrats who are drawing consistently strong numbers. What the Democratic Party has been weak at is putting like-minded cons uencies together in States that matter, like West Virginia, Tennesse, Florida and Ohio to raise money, do phone banks mail brochures, and attack, attack, attack, you know, all the boring Politico stuff, but the important thing is that Demos have managed to split the corporate money going into campaigns for the mid-terms.

    I don't think the question for the mid-terms is whether or not the Democrats will make gains in the House and Senate, but exactly how large these gains will be. Nonetheless, I'm sure most of you saw the editorial in this weeks local fishwrap calling this past session the 'less-than-do-nothing-Congress', very appropriate. Those kinds of things tend to resonate with voters.
    15 years ago the dems had somewhere around a 100 seat majority in the house and a 5 seat majority in the senate. It's been all downhill from there.

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    It's time to turn off the wingnut radio for the day and look at some real substance, on all the important issues, domesic, and even the war on terra, it's Democrats who are drawing consistently strong numbers. What the Democratic Party has been weak at is putting like-minded cons uencies together in States that matter, like West Virginia, Tennesse, Florida and Ohio to raise money, do phone banks mail brochures, and attack, attack, attack, you know, all the boring Politico stuff, but the important thing is that Demos have managed to split the corporate money going into campaigns for the mid-terms.

    I don't think the question for the mid-terms is whether or not the Democrats will make gains in the House and Senate, but exactly how large these gains will be. Nonetheless, I'm sure most of you saw the editorial in this weeks local fishwrap calling this past session the 'less-than-do-nothing-Congress', very appropriate. Those kinds of things tend to resonate with voters.
    Certainly your Mr. Howard Dean, despite his YEAARRRRGGHHH persona in front of the cameras, has been doing a yeoman's work in reconstructing the precinct-level infrastructure of the party that had become so degraded as navel-gazing among the elite chattering classes became the dominant expression of the Democrats. That infrastructure is the root of any party, and when it decays, the party ends up looking like my lawn right now (brown and dead).

    What people like you probably should do is resist the urge to go on ideological purges as soon as your party starts to show a pulse.

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    Typical Bush stupidity:

    In yesterdays press conference he mentions Iraq and 9/11 in the same breath (again).

    reporter: What does Iraq have to do with 9/11?
    Dubya: (stumbling) uuumm, NOTHING!

    My reaction to the prez: Are you that ing stupid?

    He could at least try another song and dance.

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    There were people in DC planning the Iraq war even before Bush won re-election as governor in Austin.
    So what??? They got plans to attack lots of places as well as Russia and CHina...........

    That has nothing to do what was in jr's head and what his anger was going to lead to........

    He twisted shxt around and implied that sadaam was in bed with the terrorist and the wmd's to act upon his hate for sadaam........

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    So what??? They got plans to attack lots of places as well as Russia and CHina...........

    That has nothing to do what was in jr's head and what his anger was going to lead to........

    He twisted shxt around and implied that sadaam was in bed with the terrorist and the wmd's to act upon his hate for sadaam........
    The PNAC crowd had been pushing for an invasion of Iraq to "democratize" the Middle East since 1997. They may have had an easy time getting Bush to go along with it, but it wasn't his idea to begin with.

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    The PNAC crowd had been pushing for an invasion of Iraq to "democratize" the Middle East since 1997. They may have had an easy time getting Bush to go along with it, but it wasn't his idea to begin with.
    LOL........... We are talking his motivation...... You can believe what you wish..... I have already stated what I believe and why...... Bush wanted sadaams ass and you know the reasons..........

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    15 years ago the dems had somewhere around a 100 seat majority in the house and a 5 seat majority in the senate. It's been all downhill from there.
    That the Demos are challenging again for Congress is an important indicator of the present national mood - kick the bums out! That's just what happened to the Demos when they became arrogant with power and started putting their own interests, and the agenda of it's party, above the interests of its cons uents.

    You see, it's not that politicians are crooked when they come to Washington, some are, some aren't, but all of them become influenced by the Power of being a U.S. Senator or Congressperson, and they want to hold onto that prestige. In fact, they'll do anything to hold onto it and in bents have a high return rate. So, legislators compromise on issues that aren't always exactly in their constancies best interests, sometimes because it's what the party wants, i.e. tax cuts, or its what their corporate donors want, i.e. growth hormones in milk.

    I think what is really needed is a Legislative term limit, and I’m not talking a 2-year, 2-term limit like S.A.’s ridiculous city council term limit, but one like 10 years, so that Congress can still form meaningful committees, but there is more accountability by whichever party is currently in control to the will of the cons uents, who’s interests are so often ignored by those in power.

    Right now, because of the high in bency rate for Legislators, it's like the city electing a permanent City Council and expecting them not to be influenced by the power and money.

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    Is Bush an Idiot?

    I would suggest that someone get him a few book that are relative:

    not these:
    A sampling of the president's reading list so far this year, according to White House aides:

    Alexander II: The Last Great Tsar by Edvard Radzinsky

    American Prometheus by Kai Bird and Martin Sherwin (a biography of Robert Oppenheimer, an inventor of the atomic bomb)

    Clemente: The Passion and Grace of Baseball's Last Hero by David Maraniss (about the late all-star Pittsburgh Pirates right fielder)

    Lincoln: A Life of Purpose and Power by Richard Carwardine

    Lincoln's Greatest Speech: The Second Inaugural by Ronald C. White Jr.

    Mao: The Unknown Story by Jung Chang and Jon Halliday

    Nine Parts of Desire: The Hidden World of Islamic Women by Geraldine Brooks

    Polio: An American Story by David Oshinsky (discussing how polio affected the United States in the mid-20th century)

    The Big Bam: The Life and Times of Babe Ruth by Leigh Montville

    The Great Influenza: The Epic Story of the Deadliest Plague in History by John M. Barry

    Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky

    The Stranger by Albert Camus

    Why liberals hate you! by Big Irish-just kidding on this one

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    "according to White House aides:"

    amazing, you dumb s believe this ? This list is fake, put together by Rove and his bootlickers.

    dubya should have prepared for the presidency at Yale and Harvard and for the 30 years after, not 6 years AFTER he was elected.

    The man is incurious and uninterested, and totally incapable of and unprepared for being president.

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    The last book Bush read was Leading the free world for Dummies

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    "according to White House aides:"

    amazing, you dumb s believe this ?
    The same could be said about anything that begins with any of the following:

    1. According to NBADan
    2. According to croutons
    3. According to the Democratic Party
    4. According to the New York Times
    5. According to Democratic Undergound
    6. According to Al Jazeera
    7. According to Asia Times

    What's your point?

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    Typical Bush stupidity:

    In yesterdays press conference he mentions Iraq and 9/11 in the same breath (again).

    reporter: What does Iraq have to do with 9/11?
    Dubya: (stumbling) uuumm, NOTHING!

    My reaction to the prez: Are you that ing stupid?

    He could at least try another song and dance.
    This (emboldened) is entirely deliberate, btw. If people hear something enough times they believe it, as was demonstrated by more than half of the US population who believed there was a link shortly after the war began. I wonder how many believe it today. GW obviously still does!

    The neo-cons use the same strategy of speciously linking unrelated subjects all the time. Listen to Limbaugh some time - one of his specialties is leaps of logic with no connection.

    Most people are too busy (or too lazy to analyse the world around them) to notice.

    The Stranger - Albert Camus
    Irish, why is that on the list? Is GW gonna become an existentialist next?

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