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    Typical?

    What part of the sentence did you not understand? I implied shanks is a dumbass for underestimating the damage in NOLA and getting "news" from the 700 Club.

    Where are you getting stuck?

    Now tell us all what we need to know about New Orleans.

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    Chump - did you actually watch the show? I'm not a huge fan of Pat Robertson's, but I was channel surfing and came across the show. I didn't see at all where they were patting themselves on the back. As I said, the report on Mississippi didn't have anything to do with Pat - they weren't there and the other church volunteers weren't part of the 700 Club.

    I've seen enough of the 700 Club to know how it works.
    Again, did you ACTUALLY watch the show?

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    Typical?

    What part of the sentence did you not understand? I implied shanks is a dumbass for underestimating the damage in NOLA and getting "news" from the 700 Club.

    Where are you getting stuck?

    Now tell us all what we need to know about New Orleans.

    I don't see Shanks underestimating the damage in NOLA, just stating MS has made bigger strides since that day.

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    Chump - did you actually watch the show? I'm not a huge fan of Pat Robertson's, but I was channel surfing and came across the show. I didn't see at all where they were patting themselves on the back. As I said, the report on Mississippi didn't have anything to do with Pat - they weren't there and the other church volunteers weren't part of the 700 Club.
    So that's the agenda part. Faith-based organizations > government, as you said they concluded.

    Don't have to watch to know that.

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    I implied shanks is a dumbass for underestimating the damage in NOLA
    I find this comment highly offensive, not to mention just plain wrong! Where did I underestimate the damage in NOLA? I said that the actual damage from the hurricane was far worse in Mississippi - I never said there wasn't extensive damage in New Orleans. The whole point of my post (which you evidently missed) was to point out the difference between NOLA and Mississippi a year after Katrina.

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    So that's the agenda part. Faith-based organizations > government, as you said they concluded.

    Don't have to watch to know that.
    Hey Chumpy, just out of curiosity, what is the most reliable news source in your opinion? Where do you get your information?

    I'm really interested to know what informs that brain of yours.

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    I don't see Shanks underestimating the damage in NOLA, just stating MS has made bigger strides since that day.
    Considering the difference in scale and types of damage and the fact that so many people never came back to NOLA, it's a false comparison and just a talking point that hit the air yesterday.

    No are you going to tell us what we all need to know about New Orleans or what?

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    Hey Chumpy, just out of curiosity, what is the most reliable news source in your opinion? Where do you get your information?

    I'm really interested to know what informs that brain of yours.
    Mostly NPR, Fox and MSNBC, and of course whatever online stories that catch my eye. BBC on occasion.

    I do not watch the 700 Club. Sorry.

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    So that's the agenda part. Faith-based organizations > government, as you said they concluded.
    Show me where I said "they" concluded that. I concluded that - hence my remark

    I would hazard a guess that they have done far more for the people of New Orleans than any govt agency!
    You jumped to conclusions based on your own biases!

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    The whole point of my post (which you evidently missed) was to point out the difference between NOLA and Mississippi a year after Katrina.
    Your implication was both states had exactly the same conditions to deal with, which is completely false.

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    Show me where I said "they" concluded that. I concluded that - hence my remark

    You jumped to conclusions based on your own biases!
    I sure did. I should get all my news from the 700 Club. Their coverage certainly sounds completely unbiased and without an agenda.

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    Considering the difference in scale and types of damage and the fact that so many people never came back to NOLA, it's a false comparison and just a talking point that hit the air yesterday.

    No are you going to tell us what we all need to know about New Orleans or what?
    Can you read? Where did I say I was going to tell you anything about NOLA? I simply said you were talking out of your ass by calling someone an idiot for stating their point of view and that they watched a particular news show.

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    Your implication was both states had exactly the same conditions to deal with, which is completely false.
    I never implied that - but let's compare. NOLA didn't suffer as much wind damage - most of the damage came from the levee breach. About 80% of the city was flooded.

    In Mississippi, they caught the full force of the winds and a storm surge of almost 30 feet. This double whammy wiped whole towns off the map and left Gulfport and Biloxi with most of their oceanfront properties completely destroyed, as well as a huge percentage of homes that were less than a mile from the ocean. Biloxi also has the back bay, which rose because of the storm surge and flooded homes all along the shore.

    Now, tell me what the huge difference is.

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    Can you read? Where did I say I was going to tell you anything about NOLA? I simply said you were talking out of your ass by calling someone an idiot for stating their point of view and that they watched a particular news show.
    I can read. You said you know so much more than any of us because you spent months in New Orleans.

    Are you just going to keep this to yourself?

    Why would you do that?

    I asked you to tell me what I should know about New Orleans that I don't know. I really want to know.

    Will you?

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    Their coverage certainly sounds completely unbiased and without an agenda.
    How the heck do you ascertain an agenda from that report? Since the 700 Club is a religious show, of course they're going to have a religious slant to the story - but what's wrong with that? They were simply giving credit to the various church groups who were helping with the rebuilding - I highly doubt the MSM will give them any props!

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    Now, tell me what the huge difference is.
    There were half a million people living in NOLA. Half of them never came back. Both are huge differences compared to the other areas.

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    How the heck do you ascertain an agenda from that report? Since the 700 Club is a religious show, of course they're going to have a religious slant to the story - but what's wrong with that?
    How dare I think a religious show put on by Pat Robertson would have an agenda!
    They were simply giving credit to the various church groups who were helping with the rebuilding - I highly doubt the MSM will give them any props!
    You are quite wrong there. Most of the coverage I saw or listened to had stories about or including them.

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    They didn't come back because:

    1. They weren't working, so they didn't have jobs to come back to.
    2. They didn't own their homes, so they could rent a house somewhere else (or live off the govt for the past year!)

    Most of those people were unproductive citizens and they were going to go wherever they could get the biggest handout.

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    How dare I think a religious show put on by Pat Robertson would have an agenda!
    I give up - there's no use arguing with you because your biases prevent you from looking at this objectively. Think what you will - Pat Robertson won't care.

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    Nice generalizations and extreme biases you got going there.

    You disgust me.

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    The government ... um .. aid coming to NOLA after the Katrina hurricane. No person can look at this picture without being seriously concerned about the government's at ude towards its own citizens.

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    They didn't come back because:

    1. They weren't working, so they didn't have jobs to come back to.
    2. They didn't own their homes, so they could rent a house somewhere else (or live off the govt for the past year!)

    Most of those people were unproductive citizens and they were going to go wherever they could get the biggest handout.
    I rarely post in here and just read, but what the ?!

    You are really an asshole if you actually believe what you just typed.

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    Scary picture, Dan.

    Makes one appreciate the tremendous solidarity and shared humanity between the (white) badasses hiding behind their killer hardware, and the (black) exposed people being tortured and killed by their helpless nakedness.

    If ever there was a crying need for "mission creep" and true leadership, it was then.

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    I SAID the ones who didn't come back because of reasons 1 & 2 were the unproductive citizens - not everybody who didn't come back!

    The lower 9th ward was made up primarily of projects and rental houses. I've talked to MANY people from the area and they told me that. Many of the people who lived there were on welfare and had no reason to come back. They could be just as unproductive in Texas or Georgia or anywhere else.

    Don't criticize me and call be obscene names because I spoke the truth. How many reports did we hear about the fraud and abuse of the govt debit cards? Why are some of those people still screaming because FEMA is going to stop paying for their housing? They were content to live in hotels and other free housing and not look for jobs or do much, if anything, to improve their lot in life. Many of the evacuees did - but many of them didn't - and those are the ones I'm referring to!

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    I SAID the ones who didn't come back because of reasons 1 & 2 were the unproductive citizens - not everybody who didn't come back!
    That's not what you said, but maybe it's what you meant.

    You gave those two reasons as why people didn't come back. And then said MOST (meaning most of those who didn't come back?) are just deadbeats.

    First off, LJ has a cousin who lives there and goes to Tulane, so we have some firsthand experience with it.

    Less than half the people didn't come back to the city and I doubt that "most" of those didn't come back because they are enjoying sponging off the gov't elsewhere.

    How many reports did we hear about the fraud and abuse of the govt debit cards? Why are some of those people still screaming because FEMA is going to stop paying for their housing?
    Sure, there were a lot of those reports. But you believe that includes MOST people who didn't come back?

    I still say blanket statements like that make you an asshole.

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