Vince Young

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...i don't know, i don't think Collins can mess up those little passes. it is just a dink pass, then young can do his thing and get 3-5 yards...maybe even 7-8 sometimes. that way young can actually be effective in games and the ans may actually go somewhere as a team. or don't trade Volek and use him as your QB. either way young is best served at receiver.

when do you think the ans will move him there?

i dont think they will ever move him to reciever.

oh, and if you actually kept up with the NFL, and watched Kerry Collins, hes probably the only QB in the NFL that CAN up 3-5 yard dink passes consistently. 7-8 is asking far too much from him. thats almost just begging for an incompletion or interception.

[johngateswhiteley]

i dont think they will ever move him to reciever.

are you sure? thats not what i think.

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are you sure? thats not what i think.

oh well. sorry to dissapoint.

[johngateswhiteley]

oh well. sorry to dissapoint.

..only thing disappointing is vyoung not at his true position of tight end. and ultimately the ans are only going to continue hurting themselves and disappointing their fans in the process.

one day, maybe sooner than expected, vyoung will be put at receiver....and all will be right with the world.

[BeerIsGood!]

Threw for decent yardage and a TD in the last game. He's coming along fine... all the while Leinart is behind Kurt Warner and a horrible o-line. Warner will take a ton of hits behind that ghost of a line and Leinart will have his chance to take a bunch of hits behind that line. Either way neither one will do much this year. I see both playing well next year (if both o-lines get better).

[johngateswhiteley]

Threw for decent yardage and a TD in the last game. He's coming along fine... all the while Leinart is behind Kurt Warner and a horrible o-line. Warner will take a ton of hits behind that ghost of a line and Leinart will have his chance to take a bunch of hits behind that line. Either way neither one will do much this year. I see both playing well next year (if both o-lines get better).

1. i am not worried about Leinart...hopefully he won't play at all this year

2. warner is going to have a good year; played very well against the best team in the NFC (seattle) and while they did not beat them, nobody else can either. seattle is going back to the super bowl, imo, and with good motivation as they got ed last year

3. vyoung has hardly done ANYTHING well in the regular season so far. and the way they are playing him is STUPID. either play him or don't play him...all this in for a series here and there is dumb and what little chance he has of becoming a good NFL QB gets smaller and smaller the longer they do it

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..only thing disappointing is vyoung not at his true position of tight end. and ultimately the ans are only going to continue hurting themselves and disappointing their fans in the process.

one day, maybe sooner than expected, vyoung will be put at receiver....and all will be right with the world.

whatever. dont be mad that he singlehandedly shredded your trojans and prevented them from winning 3 straight. its dissapointing that you cant take the loss like a man, and accept just how gifted this QB is.

[johngateswhiteley]

whatever. dont be mad that he singlehandedly shredded your trojans and prevented them from winning 3 straight. its dissapointing that you cant take the loss like a man, and accept just how gifted this QB is.

...i am not mad at vyoung, i am disappointed in the Trojans b/c they were the better team. but i think vyoung was a wonderful QB...you assume too much about me. i will give you this:

1. was vince young an amazing CFB player? yes

2. am i tired of the love fest, him being overhyped, and overrated going into the nfl draft? yes

3. my original stand, regardless of whether i like him or not, is that he would not be a good NFL QB...thats it, i just happen to support my opinion

4. all the back and forth in this thread, as i am sure most everyone realizes, has been a joke, i only wanted to see how many responses i could get. frankly, i am shocked i got as many as i did...

5. i know the ans are not going to move vyoung to receiver..............at least not for a few years

[LaMarcus Bryant]

...i am not mad at vyoung, i am disappointed in the Trojans b/c they were the better team.

THREE IN A ROW!

[2centsworth]

whatever. dont be mad that he singlehandedly shredded your trojans and prevented them from winning 3 straight. its dissapointing that you cant take the loss like a man, and accept just how gifted this QB is.

they won 1 1/2 championships. However, if they would have played the best teams LSU and Auburn they would have zero championship. Most overrated program in the history of college football. None of their guys are doing squat in the NFL, except 50 yrds and zero td's a game Bush.

At least when the Hurricanes were dominant they backed it up by flooding the NFL with talent.

[johngateswhiteley]

they won 1 1/2 championships. However, if they would have played the best teams LSU and Auburn they would have zero championship. Most overrated program in the history of college football. None of their guys are doing squat in the NFL, except 50 yrds and zero td's a game Bush.

At least when the Hurricanes were dominant they backed it up by flooding the NFL with talent.

LOL, you're a funny dude. lets see:

1. Palmer
2. Polamalu
3. Tatupu
4. Bush
5. Patterson

...and thats just since 2003. the jury is still out on Leinart, White, and company. but i think in couple years you'll see they will do just fine.

just for fun ALL-Time:

1. Trojans in NFL draft: 430 (#2)
2. top draft picks 5 (#1)
3. first round draft picks 67 (#1)

[2centsworth]

LOL, you're a funny dude. lets see:

1. Palmer
2. Polamalu
3. Tatupu
4. Bush
5. Patterson

...and thats just since 2003. the jury is still out on Leinart, White, and company. but i think in couple years you'll see they will do just fine.

just for fun ALL-Time:

1. Trojans in NFL draft: 430 (#2)
2. top draft picks 5 (#1)
3. first round draft picks 67 (#1)

you have Palmer and Polamlu. Tatupu, Whoopie! Bush is an automatic 50yrds.

Your All-Time numbers are a joke because the only person I remember worth mentioning is OJ.

BTW, beating a crappy Notre Dame team and an OU team that just lost 63-10 to KSate while avoiding the two best teams in LSU and Auburn shouldn't have even earned your team 1 1/2 championships.

Of course UT had to set the record straight.

[Louae]

the main point is young was hyped up like crazy and mcneal was not. maybe they both won't make it as QBs in the NFL...so what. young was the 3rd pick overall while mcneal was drafted in the 6th round. point is young pulled a fast one, imo, on most NFL'rs and Mcneal did not. but, as i said earlier....you're off topic.

I think Vince Young had a lot to do with that hype. It's not like it just popped out of nowhere. After all, all he did was carry the UT football team and their Rosco P. Coltraine clone coach to a national championship. All the while McNeal was leading A&M to a disaster of a season.

[Louae]

just because hes a fast, athletic, black QB, doesnt mean he cant be successful as a QB in the NFL.

Honestly, it's not that he's black. It's that he's big, fast and athletic with no proven ability to throw out of a convential offense. He's also never proven to have those skills while in college. It's obvious that he has a strong enough arm and he's tall. But can he deliver the ball on time and in the right spots. That's the question.

I'm rooting for him to succeed even though I'm not optimistic of it happening.

[MajorMike]

What if he was hisp?

[johngateswhiteley]

you have Palmer and Polamlu. Tatupu, Whoopie! Bush is an automatic 50yrds.

Your All-Time numbers are a joke because the only person I remember worth mentioning is OJ.

BTW, beating a crappy Notre Dame team and an OU team that just lost 63-10 to KSate while avoiding the two best teams in LSU and Auburn shouldn't have even earned your team 1 1/2 championships.

Of course UT had to set the record straight.

guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the 2003-2006 trojan players. as for all-time...since you mentioned it:

Pro Football Hall of Fame

1. O.J. Simpson>>>you know him
2. Ronnie Lott>>>you should know him
3. Marcus Allen>>>you should know him
4. Ron Yary
5. Willie Wood
6. Ron Mix
7. Anothony Munoz>>>you should know him
8. Lynn Swann>>>you should know him
9. Morris Badgro
10. Frank Gifford>>>you should know him

...thats the most all time, tied with Notre Dame. and since you mentioned t.u....they have 4, and miami has a whopping 3.

Other Mentionables:

1. Junior Seau
2. Sean Salisbury
3. Rodney Peete
4. Johnnie Morton
5. Chad Morton
6. Rob Johnson
7. Keyshawn Johnson

+ many many more.

And just for good measure, Neil Armstrong...the first man on the moon, is a USC graduate. LOL.

maybe you should do some research before spouting off at the mouth, next time.

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Far be it for me to step into a debate in which I don't really GAF, but .02, you can't honestly say you didn't know about Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott, Anthony Munoz (and I'm picking those three because they played when I was watching football (albeit I was < 10 years old) as well as Junior Seau (who will make the Hall once eligible) and Keyshawn.

[2centsworth]

Far be it for me to step into a debate in which I don't really GAF, but .02, you can't honestly say you didn't know about Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott, Anthony Munoz (and I'm picking those three because they played when I was watching football (albeit I was < 10 years old) as well as Junior Seau (who will make the Hall once eligible) and Keyshawn.

sometimes it's hard for me to remember anything before 1955. Nevertheless, I was addressing the 1 1/2* le team.

[johnsmith]

sometimes it's hard for me to remember anything before 1955. Nevertheless, I was addressing the 1 1/2* le team.

You have a fitting name, because that's about all you've added to this argument...

[2centsworth]

You have a fitting name, because that's about all you've added to this argument...

I guess I should have posted something like the following?

I've hated Vince Young ever since he showed up at the White House dressed like an idiot, the said he lost his luggage, unlikely seeing as how he then showed up to the tonight show dressed like an idiot..........Oh yeah, he's also an idiot. I hope he breaks his leg, spends all his money, and ends up as the assistant manager at a Jiffy Lube.

you have a lot of class hating someone, hoping they break their leg, and wishing they fail.


Talk about adding nothing of substance to an argument. At least I'm right about the 1 1/2* so called championships.

[johnsmith]

I guess I should have posted something like the following?


you have a lot of class hating someone, hoping they break their leg, and wishing they fail.


Talk about adding nothing of substance to an argument. At least I'm right about the 1 1/2* so called championships.

Who said anything about class? I'll be the first to admit I lack that very quality, but me not having any class doesn't make your argument any less re ed.
Having said that, you are not right about your 1 1/2 comment, sorry, they get a full national championship, shared or not, it counts as a whole. Therefore, not only are you wrong, but you are also a bag.........man, that sucks for you.

[2centsworth]

Who said anything about class? I'll be the first to admit I lack that very quality, but me not having any class doesn't make your argument any less re ed.
Having said that, you are not right about your 1 1/2 comment, sorry, they get a full national championship, shared or not, it counts as a whole. Therefore, not only are you wrong, but you are also a bag.........man, that sucks for you.

people who can't argue their point are left with nothing but personal attacks. You admitted that you lack class, so there is nothing left to argue.

[johnsmith]

people who can't argue their point are left with nothing but personal attacks. You admitted that you lack class, so there is nothing left to argue.

Hey jackass, I did argue a point, that you were wrong about the 1/2 a championship. Tell you what, go back, re-read what I posted and then once again tell me if I argued a point or not.

Now you're a bag, you're wrong, and you can't comprehend the written word. Life just keeps getting worse for you doesn't it?

[2centsworth]

Hey jackass, I did argue a point, that you were wrong about the 1/2 a championship. Tell you what, go back, re-read what I posted and then once again tell me if I argued a point or not.

Now you're a bag, you're wrong, and you can't comprehend the written word. Life just keeps getting worse for you doesn't it?

Another Mr. Internet tough guy. All you said is that it's a full championship shared or not. I told you it's not because beating a crappy Notre Dame and OU team doesn't earn you a MNC. Argue how OU would have beaten Auburn or LSU. Otherwise you haven't said anything Mr. No Class Internet tough guy.

[johnsmith]

Another Mr. Internet tough guy. All you said is that it's a full championship shared or not. I told you it's not because beating a crappy Notre Dame and OU team doesn't earn you a MNC. Argue how OU would have beaten Auburn or LSU. Otherwise you haven't said anything Mr. No Class Internet tough guy.

I like how I've done nothing to imply that I'm this "internet tough guy" and yet you are so quick to throw this "insult" around. I just pointed out that you are a bag, a jackass, and you can't comprehend what you read. What's "tough" about that?

You are right though, that is all I said, that it counts as a full championship, therefore, your 1/2 is wrong.

If I were to argue about who would have won in a game between OU and Auburn or LSU, well then we might as well argue about who would win between the 98 Broncos and the 85 Bears. It's a stupid argument that you can't answer.

So, where does that leave us? You can't read, you are a bag and a jackass, you come up with stupid arguments, and finally, you make things up in order to insult others. Pretty classless yourself there 2cents. For shame.