Inmate got 'Katie's Revenge' tattoo by force

[AlamoSpursFan]

Dude, it's an internet message board, it's not the floor of the United States Senate.

Settle the down!

[sandman]

You haven't examined anything. You haven't said one single thing against the other side. Only polarizing statements that build straw men without talking about the subject.

Instead, you're trying to diminish my (and that of the others) legitimacy by insinuating that we would somehow cavort with these dangerous criminals. If you don't want to argue about the subject, fine. You don't have to.

Polarizing statements? Sure. Straw men arguments? Hardly. There have been several of us who are fathers of little girls who have given our perspective of our potential actions should we be found at the center of such a henious event. I don't give a damn about justifying my potential behavior to you or anyone else. In my opinion, our legal system is woefully inadequate regarding incarceration/rehabilitation of pedophiles. In respect to personal consequences, I would be willing to accept whatever society would deem as "just" to be able to send the bas that harmed my daughter to the Sulphur and Brimstone Hotel.

Be it known: You mess with my little girl, you die.

That's no straw man. That's a straight up, take the points and the win guarantee.

What a sad day in our country when we have to discuss the "rights" of brazenly open and practicing pedophiles. God help our children.

[conqueso]

Do you have any idea how much inconsequential you'd have to vote on on a daily basis if this was a direct democracy?



Having examined both sides of the argument as presented in this here forum, I'm perfectly happy siding with SpursWoman. The rest of you can enjoy Thanksgiving dinner with your friends the child-molesting murderers.

I wasn't advocating direct democracy. My point was that the main reason America isn't a direct democracy is to avoid rule by the irrational whims of the masses. Wanting to maim child rapists is one of these whims. When you cool down and start to think about these things rationally instead of just acting on your initial emotional response, vigilantism appears to be a pretty unacceptable in a civilized society.

That doesn't mean getting "Katie's Revenge" tattoed on his forehead is unfair. Just uncivilized.

[ATX Spur]

Dude, it's an internet message board, it's not the floor of the United States Senate.

Settle the down!

I'm calm, dude. You started arguing with me, not the other way around. I was just letting you know, if you didn't really want to argue, you don't have to. It doesn't sound like either of us need convincing.

[ATX Spur]

I don't give a damn about justifying my potential behavior to you or anyone else.

Here is the thing. Sandman (and others), I like what you are saying. But we're not talking about the same things!

I am talking about justification, and you and many other obvious parents are unconcerned with it. Which is fine. You don't have to justify what you would do, not at least to anyone here. I'm not asking you to. The only thing you owe is to the conversation, to realize that we're talking about different things.

[Good 'N Plenty]

What goes on in prison should stay in prison.

[johnsmith]

What goes on in prison should stay in prison.

Sort of like Las Vegas, only with a lot of anal raping.

[Good 'N Plenty]

Sort of like Las Vegas, only with a lot of anal raping.

You betcha!

[sandman]

I wasn't advocating direct democracy. My point was that the main reason America isn't a direct democracy is to avoid rule by the irrational whims of the masses. Wanting to maim child rapists is one of these whims. When you cool down and start to think about these things rationally instead of just acting on your initial emotional response, vigilantism appears to be a pretty unacceptable in a civilized society.

That doesn't mean getting "Katie's Revenge" tattoed on his forehead is unfair. Just uncivilized.

When did civilized equate to not only the acceptance but the defense of abase, immoral behavior of sexual deviants? Civilized societies are progressive, enlightened and educated. None of those characteristics indicate a social group that would be tolerant of the animalistic, abhorant behavior of pedophiles.

A hundred years ago a horse thief was hung for his actions. Do we hang horse (car) thiefs today? No. Why, because we have become more civilized, or is it more because our moral and value systems have changed? I'll put my money on the latter, and that is the same reason why people will argue that child molesters have rights.

[conqueso]

When did civilized equate to not only the acceptance but the defense of abase, immoral behavior of sexual deviants? Civilized societies are progressive, enlightened and educated. None of those characteristics indicate a social group that would be tolerant of the animalistic, abhorant behavior of pedophiles.

No one is defending pedophilia here (at least not yet). I think imprisoning a child rapist and murderer for life shows that society does NOT tolerate that kind of behavior. Thus, just because you don't want to allow them to be TORTURED while spending life in prison does not mean that you are tolerant of their behavior.

Allowing them to be TORTURED for their crimes is just clearly uncivilized. If taking a picture with a bunch of nude POWs and flushing their religious book down the toilet is torture, carving into someone's forehead is torture too. Life in prison might not be enough for someone like this, maybe capital punishment is more appropriate, but I don't see how anyone can think sadistic torture is justice. Those two concepts just seem too an hetical to coexist.

A hundred years ago a horse thief was hung for his actions. Do we hang horse (car) thiefs today? No. Why, because we have become more civilized, or is it more because our moral and value systems have changed? I'll put my money on the latter, and that is the same reason why people will argue that child molesters have rights.

I agree that our moral and value systems have changed. I would like to think that they have EVOLVED and PROGRESSED, that we are not just treading water jumping from one set of morals to another without improving in any way. So I think that hanging horse thieves is not only a DIFFERENT moral system, but also a more UNCIVILIZED one. But , who knows, there are a ton of people who think that people like this shouldn't even be incarcerated since it's inhumane, they should instead be rehabilitated through therapy conducted in a positive environment. Maybe those people are really more civilized than any of us.

[sandman]

I'm not necessarily advocating carving up someone's forehead, but I am not crying in my beer over it either. In my opinion, the dude shouldn't even be in jail tossing salads. He shouldn't have lived this long to begin with.

You do realize that we are talking about civilized behavior in the context of jailyard justice? No one is ever going to mistake prison life as being a microcosm of society.

[CosmicCowboy]

I'm not necessarily advocating carving up someone's forehead, but I am not crying in my beer over it either. In my opinion, the dude shouldn't even be in jail tossing salads. He shouldn't have lived this long to begin with.

You do realize that we are talking about civilized behavior in the context of jailyard justice? No one is ever going to mistake prison life as being a microcosm of society.

Exactly. The inmates run the place. It wasn't the guards that gave him that tat.

He violated the one of the most simple and basic rules of human behavior...you protect children...you damn sure don't intentionally harm them.

his reward for killing that girl was getting to spend the rest of his life with others who had similar disregard for societal rules of right and wrong. Now he is a victim? tough ....

[fraga]

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