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[johngateswhiteley]

No way OU has a better Special Teams than Texas. No one in the country does. Texas has made more big plays on special teams than any other program since 2000. That's 6 years of dominance. The fact that you said that shows a lot.

Offense is Texas as well. Thompson is a WR playing QB. The O line is overlooked because it's not very good. The receivers are marginal at best. Peterson is the real deal, but the only real deal on that offense.

Defense isn't even in the same ballpark, sport, etc. It's such a big difference it's laughable. And I'll take Chizik over any coach OU can muster - Stoops included. The only thing OU has is a better offensive coordinator. That's it.

actually, virginia tech has more big plays the past 6 years than t.u., but anyway. and we are talking about this year's game...past t.u. special teams aren't going to help you in this game and OU's special teams are always good.

i'll take Malcolm Kelly and Iglesias over your top two receivers anyday, and you already mentioned AP. the fact that you said OU's receivers are marginal...says a lot.

and i can't believe you think chizik is a better coach than stoops...you're talking about comparing a coordinator to a head coach that has been in three BCS le games and owned t.u. the past 7 years (6-1). thats says a lot...

...you're as big a homer as anyone on this site. making the claims about special teams, receivers, and coach is an opinion that would not be shared by many outside of Texas. and while some think i am a homer...well, thats just crazy talk. i see things for what they are:

1. t.u. has a better team
2. ou has a better coach
3. this is the most evenly balanced shootout in a long time
4. t.u. should win on paper...but its very close

...and i think b/c of the whipping last year and Stoops with two weeks to prepare; OU overcomes whatever deficiencies the team has.

[BeerIsGood!]

just a reminder of what may be to come for Sat.

Chris Simms doesn't play in college anymore. Roy Williams doesn't play in college anymore. Gene Chizik is the ing man and wasn't involved until last year - When his D held OU (with a legit QB in Bomar) to 12 pts. Stop living in the past and face the facts - UT beats OU in all facets of the game now. In fact, OU has only scored 12 pts against the UT D the last two years. They'll be lucky to get that this year. You think OU is gonna hold down the monster running game of UT to under 12 pts? You're delusional you okie .

[BeerIsGood!]

actually, virginia tech has more big plays the past 6 years than t.u., but anyway. and we are talking about this year's game...past t.u. special teams aren't going to help you in this game and OU's special teams are always good. (Texas has the most blocked kicks over the last 6 years. VT isn't even close. Quit listening to the ESPN hype machine. They are very high in return coverage, return average, etc. VT isn't even close in those areas)

i'll take Malcolm Kelly and Iglesias over your top two receivers anyday, and you already mentioned AP. the fact that you said OU's receivers are marginal...says a lot. (Iglesias and Kelly? Are you kidding me? Sweed is one of the best receivers in the country and Cosby is better than either of these two. Not to mention Finley at the TE and Billy (big bomb TD in last year's game) Pittman. A team needs an O line and a legit QB to make the receivers effective - both things OU lacks. You are a loon that needs to stick to his own teams).

and i can't believe you think chizik is a better coach than stoops...you're talking about comparing a coordinator to a head coach that has been in three BCS le games (Got blown out in two) and owned t.u. the past 7 years (6-1). thats says a lot... (Chizik is a better coach. He will be a great head coach one day, but right now his D (and D wins games) is better than anything OU can muster.Hands down. He is 1-0 against OU. When Mike Stoops left OU the OU D went down, down, down...)
...you're as big a homer as anyone on this site. (I watch this team and know exactly what they have. I watch other teams and know what they have. If you don't like it, don't read it) making the claims about special teams, receivers, and coach is an opinion that would not be shared by many outside of Texas. and while some think i am a homer (OU homer?? This isn't even your team and you feel the need to speak nonsense just because you're still booty hurt over the 2005 Rose Bowl and the fact UT has owned aTm for quite a while now. You aren't just a homer, you hold a serious grudge. Check the OSU threads from a few weeks ago. When Texas loses, I give props. Where are you when aTm or USC loses??)...well, thats just crazy talk. i see things for what they are:

1. t.u. has a better team
2. ou has a better coach
3. this is the most evenly balanced shootout in a long time (no)
4. t.u. should win on paper...but its very close (no, not that close)

...and i think b/c of the whipping last year (we have 5 years of these games to show how much taking a whipping helps the next year. It doesn't. If anything it can up your concentration and cause you to make mistakes) and Stoops with two weeks to prepare; OU overcomes whatever deficiencies the team has.

[BeerIsGood!]

All you need to see...

[johngateswhiteley]

1. i am always around after my team wins or loses (i am sorry that i go to games and i am not on this site immediately after a win or loss, you must forgive me...i have a life and other things to do)
2. ESPN insider gives the following edges:

QB: t.u.
RB: OU
WR: t.u.
OL: t.u.
DL: t.u.
LB: OU
DB: t.u.
ST: OU<<<
Coach: t.u.

Overall: t.u. and a prediction of 27-20 t.u.

...that being said, how can i be crazy b/c i think OU has better special teams than t.u.. am i right b/c ESPN agrees with me...of course not, but i am not crazy. you are for talking all that crap about me not knowing anything but my two teams. and while i don't agree with all the edges i can understand them...apparently you are incapable of that. i think the QB and Coach edge should be switched from t.u. to OU, but hey, its all conjecture.

[Horry For 3!]

actually, virginia tech has more big plays the past 6 years than t.u., but anyway. and we are talking about this year's game...past t.u. special teams aren't going to help you in this game and OU's special teams are always good.

i'll take Malcolm Kelly and Iglesias over your top two receivers anyday, and you already mentioned AP. the fact that you said OU's receivers are marginal...says a lot.

and i can't believe you think chizik is a better coach than stoops...you're talking about comparing a coordinator to a head coach that has been in three BCS le games and owned t.u. the past 7 years (6-1). thats says a lot...

...you're as big a homer as anyone on this site. making the claims about special teams, receivers, and coach is an opinion that would not be shared by many outside of Texas. and while some think i am a homer...well, thats just crazy talk. i see things for what they are:

1. t.u. has a better team
2. ou has a better coach
3. this is the most evenly balanced shootout in a long time
4. t.u. should win on paper...but its very close

...and i think b/c of the whipping last year and Stoops with two weeks to prepare; OU overcomes whatever deficiencies the team has.

Are you ing serious? Sweed is a Top 5 WR prospect for the NFL Sweed >>>> Kelly & Iglesias together

[BeerIsGood!]

The fact that you quoted ESPN is crazy. How can a team that leads the nation in blocked kicks (punts and FG) by a good margin, covers kicks as well as anyone, punts well and covers as well as anyone, and makes FG consistently not be ranked #1 in the country over that time period. #1 in blocked kicks - impact plays on special teams. That's crazy that anyone would put OU ahead in that category.

[BeerIsGood!]

Are you ing serious? Sweed is a Top 5 WR prospect for the NFL Sweed >>>> Kelly & Iglesias together

This boy's reaching for anything. He'll ride the OU jock (however small it may be) if it means going against UT. Absolutely nuts.

[Holmes_Fans]

How would any logical source give OU the edge on special teams?


Texas averages 43 yards per punt, OU only 41

Texas averages 17 yard per PR, OU 16


"In 2005, the Horns blocked nine kicks, including six punts, on the road to the national championship. Four of those punt blocks came against Oklahoma State and Texas A&M, teams that use the new shield punt protections. It's no coincidence that in Akina's five years at Texas, the Horns have blocked 43 kicks, the most in the nation over that time."

I know they already have 1 blocked punt this season that went for a TD, aswell as 2 PR TD's along with a few that were called back.

[j-6]

troggie

troggie - Is that an Aggie, with a Trojan grad for a father, that conned him out of a kidney and works at a cardboard box factory?

[BeerIsGood!]

1. i am always around after my team wins or loses (i am sorry that i go to games and i am not on this site immediately after a win or loss, you must forgive me...i have a life and other things to do)
.

I'm not here immediately after either, but when I do come on I show up like a man. It's been one week since aTm got beat at home by a weak T.T. team and you never posted one thing saying how stupid you were to say that aTm would be a Top 25 team. Not one thing. Again you are wrong here... you've posted a lot of about UT in the last week but not once about your ags laying a giant egg. Check it and see...

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...t=50755&page=3

[johngateswhiteley]

The fact that you quoted ESPN is crazy. How can a team that leads the nation in blocked kicks (punts and FG) by a good margin, covers kicks as well as anyone, punts well and covers as well as anyone, and makes FG consistently not be ranked #1 in the country over that time period. #1 in blocked kicks - impact plays on special teams. That's crazy that anyone would put OU ahead in that category.

1. i have no idea who leads the nation in blocked kicks this year, but i'll take your word for it

2. your other statements are opinion, as is ESPN's and mine

3. A. OU is #17 in kickoff returns while t.u. is # 35

B. OU is # 11 in punt return man while t.u. is # 16

C. OU is # 13 in (their) punter and t.u. is not in top 50

D. OU is # 3 in (their kicker) field goals and t.u. is not in top 50

http://www.bettorsreport.com/default...tat/stats2.htm

...i know that does not include blocked kicks, but it is clear OU has done better in those areas and their schedule has been more difficult as well.

finally, i posted a thread about A&M and USC. i can't help that nobody wanted to post in it. and for going to Dartmouth...you sure aren't smart:

1. i said if A&M beat tech they would be in the top 25
2. i said A&M would beat tech, was i wrong... sure, but it took a great play at the end of the game for tech to win...they did not walk all over us like YOU predicted
3. of course A&M is not going to be in the top 25 after a loss to tech, but they would have been if they had won
4. its an unfortunate loss, but you move and realize there are more games to play
5. i don't call people out after wins and losses...actions speak for themselves. i gave Brutalis a hard time and thats it...and thats b/c we had a little thing going, but if you noticed i posted a thread about Arkansas in respect to how well they had been doing since
6. you are like most posters...you assume, you are touchy, and you have to always be right
7. go back and look at my other predictions...i know when i was wrong, not to mention why do i have to say, "i was wrong"...thats so passe...obviously i was wrong...so what..

[Horry For 3!]

1. i have no idea who leads the nation in blocked kicks this year, but i'll take your word for it

2. your other statements are opinion, as is ESPN's and mine

3. A. OU is #17 in kickoff returns while t.u. is # 35

B. OU is # 11 in punt return man while t.u. is # 16

C. OU is # 13 in (their) punter and t.u. is not in top 50

D. OU is # 3 in (their kicker) field goals and t.u. is not in top 50

...i know that does not include blocked kicks, but it is clear OU has done better in those areas and their schedule has been more difficult as well.

Because Texas rarely needs to punt, we move the ball and score and we rarely kick field goals, we make touchdowns.

[BeerIsGood!]

OU does a lot more punting and FG kicking than UT. We score touchdowns. The blocked kicks isn't just this year, it's since 2000. And that is the big difference on special teams... neither team gives up returns for TDs, and the UT defense keeps most teams in a three and out which gives the offense short fields and not many deep punting situations. The blocked kicks are extremely important because they are the BIG impact plays on ST along with returns for TD (which Texas has multiple of this year). Of course OU is going to have a higher punt average - they have to punt more often (and from greater distances) since their defense lets teams run up and down the field giving OU bad field position. The kicker is negligible - UT doesn't need him often, but he pretty much makes what he attempts.

[BeerIsGood!]

finally, i posted a thread about A&M and USC. i can't help that nobody wanted to post in it. and for going to Dartmouth...you sure aren't smart:

1. i said if A&M beat tech they would be in the top 25
2. i said A&M would beat tech, was i wrong... sure, but it took a great play at the end of the game for tech to win...they did not walk all over us like YOU predicted
3. of course A&M is not going to be in the top 25 after a loss to tech, but they would have been if they had won
4. its an unfortunate loss, but you move and realize there are more games to play
5. i don't call people out after wins and losses...actions speak for themselves. i gave Brutalis a hard time and thats it...and thats b/c we had a little thing going, but if you noticed i posted a thread about Arkansas in respect to how well they had been doing since
6. you are like most posters...you assume, you are touchy, and you have to always be right

Talk about touchy. Hey kettle... this little tea pot's calling you black. You just described yourself there hoss... and lets not let friendly banter degrade into baseless insults of people's intelligence here. Especially on matters based on opinion... ok??

[johngateswhiteley]

OU does a lot more punting and FG kicking than UT. We score touchdowns. The blocked kicks isn't just this year, it's since 2000. And that is the big difference on special teams... neither team gives up returns for TDs, and the UT defense keeps most teams in a three and out which gives the offense short fields and not many deep punting situations. The blocked kicks are extremely important because they are the BIG impact plays on ST along with returns for TD (which Texas has multiple of this year). Of course OU is going to have a higher punt average - they have to punt more often (and from greater distances) since their defense lets teams run up and down the field giving OU bad field position. The kicker is negligible - UT doesn't need him often, but he pretty much makes what he attempts.

well you have presented your case. lets see what happens...also, i edited my previous post.

[Horry For 3!]

I know for sure Texas has 1 punt blocked for a TD. I think they have like 2 or 3 other blocked punts but not for TDs.

[johngateswhiteley]

Talk about touchy. Hey kettle... this little tea pot's calling you black. You just described yourself there hoss... and lets not let friendly banter degrade into baseless insults of people's intelligence here. Especially on matters based on opinion... ok??

figures, every time i make sense someone just changes the topic. thats fine...btw, i was only responding to your posts. also, many times you let my friendly banter lead into insults from you.

[midgetonadonkey]

Those Okies had it hard during their trip to California. All they wanted was land. That's all.

[BeerIsGood!]

figures, every time i make sense someone just changes the topic. thats fine...btw, i was only responding to your posts. also, many times you let my friendly banter lead into insults from you.

insults yes, but not about your education. Just meaningless bull and smack talk. I could say how you couldn't even hack it at aTm of all places, but I wouldn't go there. That would be impolite and not in the good spirit of conversation.

You may want to seek mental help... you were never beginning to make any sense. If you thought you were then your perception of reality is skewed in such a way that may be detrimental to your health as well as the health of any unfortunate human being who comes in contact with you.

[BeerIsGood!]

Those Okies had it hard during their trip to California. All they wanted was land. That's all.

That son of a Tom Joad just couldn't leave well enough alone.

[johngateswhiteley]

insults yes, but not about your education. Just meaningless bull and smack talk. I could say how you couldn't even hack it at aTm of all places, but I wouldn't go there. That would be impolite and not in the good spirit of conversation.

You may want to seek mental help... you were never begining to make any sense. If you thought you were then your perception of reality is skewed in such a way that may be detrimental to your health as well as the health of any unfortunate human being who comes in contact with you.

saying i could not hack it at Texas A&M would be false, i left for other reasons...you would be wrong; thats called an assumption. what does my shot @ Dartmouth matter...its a wonderful university and one of my best friends went there. you, obviously, have to be fairly intelligent to attend school there.

basically, we are entering dio territory here. you can say whatever you want and laugh about it, but when its meaningless and pointless...its meaningless and pointless. i don't get, nor should i, any credit for poking fun at your school or how smart you are...how should i know? and vice versa. and i would not think you would take it personal...and neither would i. but for the sake of a somewhat civil board i like to keep it to football talk. but whenever i try to stick to football and other college sports some posters chime in with ridiculous posts that are worthless and don't mean anything. and its not funny b/c its not relevant or remotely clever. but it all leads back to the mods, with limited rule there can be wonderful boards. but with no rule boards can be sometimes poor. for example, spursreport.com is way too strict and spurstalk.com is too lenient. though i will stand on the lenient before strict side anyday.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

for the love of god stop talking about a&m in this thread

[BeerIsGood!]

snore... I don't really care what you did or didn't do or what your views on different boards are. All I know is that if UT plays their game and doesn't go all ing conservative they win by at least 14 points. At least.

[midgetonadonkey]

for the love of god stop talking about a&m in this thread

Gig'em Aggs! Whoop!