sure, but not right now. It would look like a direct result of this test. maybe next xmas.
I wouldn't say they were succeeding. Unfortunately, the KEDO organization we were in with Japan and ROK missed alot of construction and fuel oil delivery deadlines -- this happened under both Clinton and Bush -- which gave Kim a reason or excuse not to trust us and continue his weapons progam and took away a little of our moral high ground in being an honest broker/negotiator internationally.
whottt, how exactly did this violate the cease fire?
Classic
Well, I just wish I knew what Kim was thinking. If his main fear is an invasion by the US, and tensions there would be eased by a redeployment of US troops -- maybe.
I'm trying to be less emotional about it even though my girlfriend's parents are currently in Korea. Sue me.
I love it when Mexicans try to pull the slavery, race, slaugter of native americans card...
Sincerely,
The Aztecs
Multilateral action with the regional powers? Same thing you libs wanted in Iraq...difference is that Saddam and WMD are no longer a concern.What is Bush's plan? He says NK testing is unacceptable. What is the plan?
NK has always been included in the axis of assholes...
What is your plan Joe?He's known for years NK was close to testing a nuclear weapon. What is his plan?
It has been said that NK has a choice of having a future or NOT having a future if they did the test. What is the plan?
You are the one condemning unilateral action in Iraq...why is NK different?
Bull . I have a brother-in-law and 3 employees in S. Korea as we speak.
They said they didnt feel a thing (not that I expected them to, just thought to ask). They are right near Seoul.
[QUOTE]I think everyone's aware of the broken promises Joe, but there isn't anyone living that was involved with those treaties so what's your point?
This is hardly a just a problem for Bush and the U.S., so more than a Bush solution is needed. The better question is "What is the World's plan"?What is Bush's plan? He says NK testing is unacceptable. What is the plan?
He's known for years NK was close to testing a nuclear weapon. What is his plan?
It's an offensive weapons build up...
And the point is...there was never a peace treaty signed with North Korea. The War never officially ended...the UN sanctioned war I might addd...then again, the original Persian Gulf War was also UN sanctioned and no peace treaty was ever signed, and Saddam violated just about every condition of the cease fire agreement...and all that still hasn't stopped morons from claiming we acted unilaterally.
Just stating a fact.
Saddam and WMD were NEVER a concern 'cause the WMD never existed.
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Where did I ever condemn unilateral action in Iraq? Oh, that's right I didn't. Unilateral action WILL be required in NK.
I was calling him liar in regards to his alleged "girlfriend".
I am just wondering. To some on this board
President Bush is the enemy. Iran, Iraq and NK
are not. Seems strange to me.
Also, seems really strange. Get out of Iraq and
get into Iran and NK.
And then you already have some on here who
just want us out of everywhere.
But I have question for all of you. Where were
we when 9/11 occurred? Where were we when
they bombed the WTC the first time.
I am not trying to blame anyone, because really
in some ways it is no Presidents fault that either
incident occurred ON OUR SOIL. It was the
terrorist fault. It is self defeating that we blame
anyone but those that committed the act.
I do blame the politicians in as much as they
want to take a damn poll and feel the public's
pulse before taking any action. I blame some
people who demonstrate the feelings displayed on
this board that they feel we are the one's wrong
because we mistreated someone, either real or
imagined. If we had just done this or that every-
thing would be peachy creamy and all would
be right with the world.
We have those right now wanting us to go into
Dafur and other regions where the Muslims are
stirring up things and protect the poor and
innocent. And I ask, do you blame the Muslims
for these problems? Or is all that our fault for
not going in and protecting them. And where do
we start blaming US for the problem. Bush,
Clinton, The Other Bush, Regan, Carter....dealers
choice.
Once again, I ask who is our enemy. Us or them?
Well anyone that thinks NK isn't going to at some point try to take over the Peninsula is extremely naive...even if Kim Jong Il doesn't want to(laughable, weeds always try to take over the garden), China will....the have nots are always harder to manage when the haves are in plain sight.
At least this time when we go in, we won't have to both fight both the Russians, and the Chinese. Just the Chinese...
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Kim Jong's rep says N.K. should be congratulated for the test, rather than condemned.
Okay. Congratulation Shorty, you have probably contributed to more malnutrition and starvation for your people (not that you care).
Does anyone have Shorty's fax?
All the talk is really nothing more than posturing because the U.S., Japan and China have to talk tough even if they don't really mean it.
Nuclear powers have to say they will do everything they can to prevent another country from gaining nuclear weapons because once another country has them, there is very little they can do about it.
The big question now is if the U.S., China, South Korea, Japan and Russia are able to convince NK that they really mean what they say. Which is easier said than done.
It would be interesting to see what the South Koreans want. They have a much different at ude towards the north, and their sympathy towards their relatives up there could lead to a certain naivete or wishful thinking about NK's government.
Well there's a real simple solution to that dilemma...just have them hop their asses across the DMZ and have a starve in with their kinfolk for a few weeks....
Why does anyone really think that China is on our side in this?
Get serious.
So we should have waited until they did?
Saddam should have thought about that before he kicked all the weapons inspectors out...
And I remain unconvinced that he did not have them...we only gave him 3 ing months to move them...he's not freaking stupid.
Where did I ever condemn unilateral action in Iraq? Oh, that's right I didn't. Unilateral action WILL be required in NK.
It won't be as unilateral as you think....
Here you go:
US detects second N Korea 'blast'
From correspondents in Washington
October 10, 2006 03:11am
Article from: Agence France-Presse
US intelligence has detected an explosion of less than one kilotonne in magnitude in North Korea but has not been able to determine whether it was nuclear or not, a senior intelligence official said.
The official, who asked not to be identified, said that first-time nuclear tests historically have been in the several kilotonne range.
“We are aware that there was a sub-kilotonne explosion in North Korea,” said the official. “We have not been able to determine at this point whether it was in fact nuclear.”
They are simply playing both sides. Speaking from both sides of their mouth. Their new economy is largely based on US companies. If we pull out, they are screwed.
So they appease their temporary bedfellow long enough to steal his wallet.
Why people are so afraid of China is beyond me. 100 million soldiers, sure. 100 million soldiers on foot, walking to America is a completely different analogy all together.
Let them have their moment in the sun. If its war NK wants, they will move toward their goal soon enough. When they do, they will make mistakes just like every other nation beating the drums of war.
That's close enough for my liberal ing ass.
The North Korean diet
Breakfast: Boiled rice mixed with water, kimchi (fermented cabbage), barley tea and crackers.
Lunch : Boiled rice or maize porridge, kimchi, cold noodles, beer or soju.
Evening meal : Boiled rice, kimchi, boiled/fried potato or potato cutlets, a couple of salads (cu ber, mixed vegetables), an egg and cold noodles.
Once or twice a week : There could be meat (mainly pork) – maybe 100g (three oz) per person, added in soup or mixed with vegetables.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...wnkorea108.xml
I take it you meant to put "isn't" between NK and going.
Long term you are probably correct, but i'm not sure if nukes would play a role in that if North Korea wishes to preserve much of the industrial base of the south. Now if a Pol Pot type wackjob was in power, it might be a different story -- but now one might conclude that NK's ultimate goal might be a China-style economy, one where a glowing, uninhabitable south might not be desirable.
Of course, once other countries get involved and the NK government is fighting for its survival, all bets are off.
So much of the current situation depends on one personality; it's troubling that we have zero contact with this person to get a read on his intentions. I suppose my overriding hope is that NK finally just collapses on itself like eastern Europe. It probably wouldn't happen until Kim is gone though. Hopefully he doesn't get more paranoid and apocalyptic as he gets older.
People pay the price for their governments...best to make sure that government treats you well.
It's a ing war...and our military kicked the out of and continues to kick the out of those we fight...if you'd rather be the terrorists in this conflict you must go around punching peoples fist with your face often.By the way you must be proud of the way things are going in Iraq.. The well thought out post war plan is what impresses me the most.
Even if it means enslaving and taking away the rights of others?Hey whott the US isn't perfect and there are some people who share this great earth that feel they should have the right to do whatever they want within their own boundries.
If they kill the people trying to get out of their country...there's a problem with that country.
If everyone shared that philosophy the world would be a different place...unfortunately, everyone does not share that philosophy and these regimes you are unable to discern as different from us enslave their people and stay in power via authoritarian military rule...I once heard that if you carry the big stick you must only use it when necessary and even then find a way of not using it.
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