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Pshaaaw... so did the rest of the team.
Maybe we should have put him on Dirk...
Couldn't have hurt worse could it?
Are you sure you got the right number?
I show Bowen, Oberto and Nick the Quick as all having a worse +/- than Barry.
Not that it matter with that small of a sample size.
Pshaaaw... so did the rest of the team.
Maybe we should have put him on Dirk...
Couldn't have hurt worse could it?
If you extrapolate Glenn Robinson's minutes to that of Barry's, he would have been a +170. Do the same to Beno and he was +80.Barry in 2005? +17 ... behind the likes of Glenn Robinson and Beno Udrih
I literally have no clue why you are emphasizing +/- over such a small sample size....
Just the fact that Glenn Robinson ranks high in it should tell you something is screwed up...he played in one damn game.
http://www.82games.com/0506/playoffs/0506SAS1.HTM
-32 clear as day.
Small sample size in a championship run?
What's the excuse for Beno?
Interesting...it seems you've also discovered that Manu>Duncan
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Other than Bowen, +/- is a pretty damn good indication of the true value of a player. Barry has had two sub par playoff +/- years. It can't just all be a coincidence.
To add a little fuel to the oven. . . .
Spurs +/- for 2006 WCSF v. Dallas
+16 Ginobili
+10 Duncan
+4 Finley
EVEN Udrih
-6 Nesterovic
-11 Van Exel
-12 Oberto
-15 Parker
-19 Mohammed
-27 Bowen
-39 Horry
-41 Barry
Manu had a higher +/- in the 2005 championship run and last year in the playoffs. Manu plays limited minutes (at least compared to Duncan), so it's to be suspected that his energy bursts give him great +/- numbers. That and Manu is a killer playoff player.Interesting...it seems you've also discovered that Manu>Duncan
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Well I know something right now....I know Manu can tear it up...
But don't even try and say he played better than Duncan against the Mavs...
Duncan dominated the Mavs and was pretty much the only thing keeping us in that game.
FromWayDowntown, I demand you to stop shading the truth. Brent Barry only played 38 minutes in Game 4. That is why he kept throwing the ball away and sucked late in the game. How is a player supposed to produce with such limited minutes?
Again, Duncan had to play 41 minutes per game. Manu could only man up 34 minutes. Manu can light it up when he's out there. That's always been the case.
Plus, Duncan had to play with Manu's backup so his +/- numbers got lowered
timvp, do you mean that game in which he played at -16?
source: Popcorn Machine Game Flows
It's too small of a sample size because the rotation, especially the way Pop coaches in the playoffs...are way out of whack.
Secondly....
I never claimed Barry played good against the Mavs...in fact I said he sucked in that series bad and I ripped him for it...but he never got on the court to close out games in that series.
And the funny thing is...you guys were the ones saying he turned the corner after he was nearly traded...I said I didn't like his play as much, particularly against the Mavs.
C'mon...Pop hadn't used him except as a backups backups and then he throws him out there to the Pirrahnas that are tearing our whole team a new hole.
It was a feeding frenzy against our D...
Barry played 25 minutes in Game 2 and 27 minutes in Game 3. Backups backups?
He also started Game 3 (as was previously mentioned, IIRC).
I suppose that a backup's backup could, in some twisted way, be a starter.
Wow, this debate is as fascinating as watching midgets wrestle.
Yeah, in the distorted world that is this forum, I'm now fueling arguments against Brent Barry when, in real life, I've wholly supported him and think (on the whole) that he's been a positive addition to this team.
In the end, I'm pretty sure the Spurs still lost to the Mavs in 7 games.
The trivia question drew me in.
A championship run is 1200 minutes. That's plenty of time to get a good read on +/- numbers.
In the 2005 playoffs, the +/- order was Ginobili, Horry, Duncan, Parker, Udirh. In the 2006 playoffs, the +/- order was Ginobili, Duncan, Parker, Udrih.
It can't be coincidence that the order comes out exactly the same except for the fact that Horry fell off. I'd say even two rounds is plenty of time to figure out who was good and who wasn't by looking at the +/- stats.
Did you watch Game 3? Barry played the final 9 minutes of the game. Did you watch Game 4? Barry played the entire overtime.Secondly....
I never claimed Barry played good against the Mavs...in fact I said he sucked in that series bad and I ripped him for it...but he never got on the court to close out games in that series.
Whottt are you talking about?
Not to oversimplify things, but perhaps one could argue that Horry's fall off is the ultimate difference between 2005 and 2006.
Just a thought.
Backups backups..during the latter half of the regular season...
All Barry would have had to have done to get a really ty +/- was to have been on the court for the early part of game 7 when the Mavs blew us the out...
The funny thing is...I am not defending his play against the Mavs...but he didn't get court time during the late part of that game.
Ok well one of those was a close loss and the other was OT loss....
And he choked in that OT game....I readily admit it. Passingwise.
What is your problem? You blaming him for a win?
Did he get to do it in game 7?
Again...I am not defending his play against the Mavs.
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