This is where sequs bball knowlege ends
So, Bowen does it 'many times', yet over the course of five seasons, with Bowen playing 35 minutes a night (on avg.), guarding other the other team's best player who is probably shooting 15 times (on avg.) a game, all of three guys have gotten hurt.but he does step up under players, especially shooters.
Look at the Carter incident - he definitely steps up under him. And I've seen him do that many times.
If he was doing it a lot, the casualty list would have a lot more than 3 people on it.
Stupid Aggie -- since he's been a starter, Bruce has stepped under shooters 7200 times.
It's a fact! Check your own numbers!
If the jumpshooter jumps toward the basket/defender and the defender jumps toward the shooter to contest the shot, jumpshooter landing in a space occupied by the defender, is the defender at fault?
If the jumpshooter jumps toward the basket/defender and the defender jumps straight up to contest the shot, jumpshooter landing in a space occupied by the defender, is the defender at fault?
If the jumpshooter jumps toward the basket/defender and the defender jumps backward but not far enough backward, jumpshooter landing in a space occupied by the defender, is the defender at fault?
The first foul that Bowen committed on Francis looked like Bowen took a pretty long, unneccassry step toward France. the one that Thomas ed about on Crawford was just too guys jumping toward each othr, Bowen to contest the shot. Maybe they need to make contesting shots a foul.
Do the teach that somewhere...???
Bruce, DO not step under shooters STEP ON THEM!!!!!! or how bout Dang it FRANCIS, why did u land on Bruce's foot...why couldn't he just land UNDER Bruce's shoe ????????
I think bowen plays dirty but so did danny ferry at times.
What I don;t get his how they can say the spurs are "soft" and then complan they are playing defense to hard and dirty...
maybe it is just the other teams are soft
Does anyone still say the Spurs are soft?
That's so 2002. Of course, I haven't seen the ESPN boards in a while so maybe I'm missing the common modern smack.
if bruce watches out for chauncey's feet....chauncy prolly drops that one on us......(your avatar....)
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JUST play SPURS DEFENSE and f*ck ALL them wimps!
I do the fake punch to the balls when I play 21. I am tellin ya, it works EVERYTIME!!! HAHA!
The rules are ALREADY suppossed to be in place to control for "stepping under the shooter". Bruce shouldn't be singled out in any way. If the league has a problem with it, they either need to enforce the rules better, or change them. It's like calling Shaq at home to tell him that he can't make a move to the lane with his elbow up... it's redundant, because its suppossed to be a foul already. If they don't call it, or don't enforce the rule frequently enough to dissuade a player from duing it, than that's the league's problem, not the player's.
I think if Pop gave a crap about looking or being "cool" he'd buy more than one new blazer each season. What you mistake for "acting cool" is Pop being professional, restrained, and mature. He'd look like an ass if he complained to reporters after every game in which the officiating sucked.
Forgot to say, that was my reaction. I'm really surprised he's turning it into a public... feud?... But I love that he's sticking up for Bruce.
I don't know how anyone can possibly think it's intentional based on TWO incidents! Accidents happen all the time. NBA players know there are risks involved in playing this sport. I don't think for a second that Bruce is dirty or that he is doing this intentionally just cuz TWO incidents have occured. Bruce prides himeself on working hard and achieving goals the right way. Plus he is the best defender in the league right now, so he does not NEED to hurt people intentionally to win. I understand if he was a bad defender, then maybe he could intentionally hurt people in order to win. But he's a fantastic defender, so there is no need at all for him to play dirty!
Plus Pop and the Spurs organization would not tolerate having a dirty player...The organization is based on good character players...In San Antonio, good character is just as important as talent...
So for those who actually are debating over whether Bruce is doing this intentionally or not, just look at the statistics...A player is bound to have a couple of incidents over a period of a couple of years...Pop made a good point in mentioning all the other players that have caused such injuries, and yet they are not put on the spotlight...Why you ask? Because Bruce is the better defender out of all those other guys, and because he frustrates players the most with his tenacity...He's relentless and just won't give the superstar players their shots so easily. That's why Ray Allen and Vince Carter are whinning...They're not getting their way. They actually have to WORK to get a shot...Plus as I recall, in 2005 playoffs, Ray began whinning about Bruce and saying he is dirty BEFORE the game!!! I mean who whines before the game???
Just because some big names are complaining, Bruce is the subject of controversy. If Ray Allen/Vince Carter were complaining about some other player, then that player would also be in the spotlight...
But I think regardless of how you feel about Bowen, statistics do not lie. TWO accidents in no way mean Bowen is doing so intentionally...And secondly, he's good enough to win without hurting other players, and just look at his character, it's not in him to harm others...it's just not. Bowen prides himself on being a good role model for children...Even after the Ray kick, he had apologized and had admitted his mistake...Unlike Jason Terry last year, who claimed that he never touched Michael Finley to begin with!!!
Okay, who here has actually played ball at any sort of level? When contesting a shot, you arms are usually at an angle in front of your body because the last thing you want is body contact with the player whose shot you're trying to swat. In this situation, the only way a shooter can land on your foot is if they jump into you, then I think it's the shooter's problem.
What I've seen Bruce do is step towards a shooter who has gone straight up after the shooter is in the air, thus increasing the chance that the shooter will come down on his foot. Personally, I think he's done this with the intention of defense, not injury. However, he doesn't need to do it because by the time he does the shot is usually already away, and he increases his chances of being called for a foul.
Not necessarily. Look at the number of times rebounders in a pack go up and no-one comes down on anyone else's feet. They must go up well over 1000 times for each time someone sprains an ankle.
I think you're wrong because I'd hope no coach would tell a player to go out and engage in tactics more likely to injure another player. A grade 3 sprain or break can put a guy out for a season.
PS Hang the traitor now! I'm not towing the line so kick me out of the fanclub!
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best defender?????????, these stats says the opposite.
I completely agree. As many divisions as we have here, this is one thing that almost all of us agree on. Pop said and did the right thing and Bruce doesn't need to change the way he pleases. He needs to do what he do.
And I agree also that the math does not add up.
An ankle heals quicker than a broken heart. those ankles and win another championship!
There are two types of situations where someone has come down on my foot and either twisted their ankle or not:
1) We're banging down low, both of us go up for a rebound, no one has any idea where anyone's lower limbs are and it just happens, or
2) I'm a few (or several) feet away from the guy I'm defending when they are shooting a long jumper and I necessarily step or jump towards them to contest the shot, sometimes ending up with my foot in the spot they are going to land.
Sometimes you have to jump or step towards them to have any chance to contest the shot. Sometimes you get there in time, sometimes the shooter gets the shot off before you get close enough to contest it. And sometimes that means they land on you. B.F.D. If you're a real defender, it is something you "must" do since if you have any chance to contest a shot, you do it, even if your momentum or trajectory might carry you into the shooter or his landing spot.
It's a part of the game. Intentionally sticking your feet underneath shooters for whatever reason, whether to psychologically affect their shot or to hurt them, is dirty as . No one here is saying that Bruce does that. Accidentally putting your feet under a shooter while playing hard defense is part of the game, and the fact that the people who are raising a stink about the way Bruce plays are egomaniacal primadonnas is pretty clear evidence that their accusations are self-serving and inaccurate.
these whiny es, Stu Jackson, and seriously Isiah Thomas. There's some serious favoritism going on here, and some serious prejudice. It's the same mentality that's responsible for Bruce never getting the respect he deserves in DPOY voting.
In-f***ing-credible that they wouldn't talk to the coaches first.
What kind of soup sandwich is the NBA running?
conqueso - all I'll say is that there's a big difference between stepping "toward" and stepping "under" someone. Mostly Bruce does the former, occasionally he does the latter (the Carter incident is a clear illustration of that - I wish it was on youtube so I could link it). He shouldn't, nor should any other balla. It may be an effective way to put someone off their shot, but it's also dirty as fvck, like the ball-punch thing. Someone does that to me on the court and they are looking for a fight.
As someone who has had 32 sprains and two ligament tears (over 16 years of ball), I'm particularly touchy about this subject I guess. All of mine have come from banging or rebounding though... oh, and one of the tears from bloody volleyball!
Tonight's game article refers to Pop's latest comments. The line from the article that bothers me is, "Bowen has said he is committed to sticking to his menacing defensive style." First, "menacing" is a pretty strong--and definitely negative--description. Second, the way this is written implies Bowen not only believes, but said, his style is "menacing." It's just flat inaccurate and I can't stand sloppy writing. If Bowen said that, put it in quotes; if not, don't imply that he did.
So the Spurs are more
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Oh no.
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