I ask once again

[ChumpDumper]

Don't twist the facts, chump.

I'm not. He was playing badly before the near trade. He's been great since.

Your issue was not only him passing shots. Your issue was with Barry's all-around game.

Shooters shoot. It was the main symptom of his all around pussiness before the near trade.

That's not all you were saying. You never recognized his other attributes.

Of course I did, they were simply never enough to justify paying him so much money to underperform when I knew he was a better player.

Same thing happened with the Manu vs Hedo argument. You were blind to what Manu was capable of producing. And it took many months for you to pull that foot out of your throught.

Nah, I just knew Hedo also had value as a fairly unique talent. Did you not notice we are still trying to replace him? Did you not notice whottt pimping his defense a few weeks ago? I said the Spurs made the right choice when it came to keeping one or the other. That I considered keeping Hedo at one point is no crime, since everyone is still crying for a player like him.

Simply admit that sometimes you are wrong. You are not God. Sometimes you hit, sometimes you miss. Deal with it.

I've been wrong, sure -- but I don't know why I am supposed to apologize for thinking Barry could have played better than he did before the near trade. I was right about that.

I don't think that is what Barry defenders were saying.

Of course it is. They couldn't stand any criticism of him for some reason, and even now they want me to say he was perfect all along. that. He played far below his potential and pay level until he almost got traded. Period. I have praised his play ever since but that's not enough for his fan club -- now you want me to go back and suck his for playing below his potential all that time. that.

You were wrong. You wanted to trade Barry.

Now you want me to call him untouchable? I'd trade him for the right player in half a second. You're delusional.

[smeagol]

Shooters shoot.

Not all. Shooters can also pass the ball, and Barry is great at that. Shooters help the the rhythm of the O, another thing Barry was doing when his shot was not falling.

It was the main symptom of his all around pussiness before the near trade

He was lacking the confidence to take many shots, no question about it. The problem is the Barry haters could not see through this problem and wanted to trade him even if he was an assets with respect to other aspects of the game.

Of course I did, they were simply never enough to justify paying him so much money to underperform when I knew he was a better player

So you knew he was a better player but wanted to trade him? Even fter he showed us fans some of what he could do in his first season?

Nah, I just knew Hedo also had value as a fairly unique talent.

So that meant Hedo should have stayed and Manu should have left. Because that was the debate: One goes, the other stays. Still cannot admit you were wrong?

Did you not notice we are still trying to replace him?

Irrelevant

Did you not notice whottt pimping his defense a few weeks ago?

Irrelevant

That I considered keeping Hedo at one point is no crime, since everyone is still crying for a player like him.

You are so full of yourself you still cannot admit trading Manu and keeping Hedo would've been one of the stupidest things the Spurs would've done this decade.

No Manu, no '05 Championship. I hope you agree with me on that one.

I've been wrong, sure -- but I don't know why I am supposed to apologize for thinking Barry could have played better than he did before the near trade.

We will probably go round and round on this one. It's the fact you wanted to trade a player which was going through an offensive slump but was helping the team with other things plus the fact that that player had potential to play better (which is being proved this year) that I'm questioning.

They couldn't stand any criticism of him for some reason, and even now they want me to say he was perfect all along.

No, no, no. Not any criticism, but going as far as saying he was useless and needed to be traded because he was not taking as many shots as some fans wanted him to take.

Now you want me to call him untouchable? I'd trade him for the right player in half a second. You're delusional.

And I would too. What the has that to do with anything? Nobody is untouchable (except TD, maybe). I'd trade Parker or Manu for the right player. That does not mean I want to trade them.

[ChumpDumper]

Not all. Shooters can also pass the ball, and Barry is great at that. Shooters help the the rhythm of the O, another thing Barry was doing when his shot was not falling.

Not all shooters shoot. Brilliant.

He was lacking the confidence to take many shots, no question about it.

Hey, thanks for agreeing with me. Now you see why I won't apologize for saying it.

The problem is the Barry haters could not see through this problem and wanted to trade him even if he was an assets with respect to other aspects of the game.

So?

So you knew he was a better player but wanted to trade him? Even fter he showed us fans some of what he could do in his first season?

Sure, for the right player. He's not Duncan.

So that meant Hedo should have stayed and Manu should have left. Because that was the debate: One goes, the other stays. Still cannot admit you were wrong?

I considered keeping Hedo over Manu during the regular season. Not during the summer. What's so wrong about that?

Irrelevant

Quite relevant, though I know you'd prefer to ignore it.

We will probably go round and round on this one. It's the fact you wanted to trade a player which was going through an offensive slump but was helping the team with other things plus the fact that that player had potential to play better (which is being proved this year) that I'm questioning.

Since our team had and has more pressing needs, I'm questioning your sanity at this point.

No, no, no. Not any criticism

Yes, yes, yes. Any criticism.

And I would too. What the has that to do with anything?

It has everything to do with your agreeing with me again. Thanks for all your support.

[T Park]

I remember that day he played 20 minutes and produced nothing. TPark and others were all over that 0-0-0-0-0-0 line. The truth is they, the same as you, were unable to see what other things brought to the table.

Yeah that game, man, he played one of a game.

Being invisible for 20 minutes, thats a GOOD THING!!!!


give me a ing break.

[T Park]

Where were these threads last year after like game 7 against Dallas, when he came in, had a couple turnovers, bricked open threes in "big" situations?

[smeagol]

Where were these threads last year after like game 7 against Dallas, when he came in, had a couple turnovers, bricked open threes in "big" situations?

Tpark, it's useless discussing hoops with you because both of us know very little about the game.

I started following the sport consistently since Manu joined the Spurs.

What's your excuse?

[smeagol]

Where were these threads last year after like game 7 against Dallas, when he came in, had a couple turnovers, bricked open threes in "big" situations?

IIRC, he also saved our ass in a couple of play off games and important regular season games too.

I remember TD, TP and Manu playing like and bricking shots in many play off games.

What's your point?

[T Park]

I remember TD, TP and Manu playing like and bricking shots in many play off games.

What's your point?

uh ok...

it's useless discussing hoops with you because both of us know very little about the game.

I started following the sport consistently since Manu joined the Spurs.

What's your excuse?

Its an honest question, why can't you answer it?

Be better to flame me I guess.

Typical Spurstalk.

[smeagol]

Not all shooters shoot.

So Barry and Finley are the same? There are players who's value to a team is purely shooting (or a big % of its value). Barry is not one of them. Finley is one of them.

You see the difference?

Brilliant.Hey, thanks for agreeing with me.

I did not agree with you.

So?

Read again. It's pretty clear.

Sure, for the right player. He's not Duncan.

The next time TP or Manu go through a slump, be the first to start their respective trade threads. That will make you look very wise. Well you already wanted Hedo over Manu, so go figure.

I considered keeping Hedo over Manu during the regular season. Not during the summer. What's so wrong about that?

Try to figure it out yourself. I can't help you anymore on this topic.

Quite relevant, though I know you'd prefer to ignore it.

No. Totally irrelevant.

Since our team had and has more pressing needs, I'm questioning your sanity at this point.

In other words, you are saying that given that we still need a long 3, we should be putting Barry on the block now?



Do you have any other pearls of wisdom to share with us?

It has everything to do with your agreeing with me again. Thanks for all your support.

Again, I'm not agreeing with you.