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  1. #51
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    Ben Wallace is overrated.

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    And Dirk is underrated.

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    What's dumber, the archaic rule or the decision not to follow it?

    IMO, it's a push and really, really stupid on the part of both parties.
    But the dumbest move of all would be for the Bulls management to bend on that rule for Ben Wallace, and if he's going to cry about this, whose to say he wouldn't cry about something else if that rule were not in place?

    And I'll say it again: IT DOESNT MATTER IF HE KNEW ABOUT THE RULE BEFORE SIGNING OR NOT.

    His job is to follow the rules set out by the organization and his head coach, Scott Skiles could be fired tomorrow, and by some peoples logic he wouldn't have to listen to any of the rules set out by his new head coach because they weren't in place when he signed his contract, and that idea is utter bull ...

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    And Dirk is underrated.

    That's almost as stupid as the headband rule.

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    Che cazzo stai dicendo? DisgruntledLionFan#54,927's Avatar
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    But the dumbest move of all would be for the Bulls management to bend on that rule for Ben Wallace, and if he's going to cry about this, whose to say he wouldn't cry about something else if that rule were not in place?

    And I'll say it again: IT DOESNT MATTER IF HE KNEW ABOUT THE RULE BEFORE SIGNING OR NOT.

    His job is to follow the rules set out by the organization and his head coach, Scott Skiles could be fired tomorrow, and by some peoples logic he wouldn't have to listen to any of the rules set out by his new head coach because they weren't in place when he signed his contract, and that idea is utter bull ...

    The best part of all this is that in their home opener, the promotion was Big Ben Afro night, complete with headband. I love you, hypocrisy.

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    Anybody defending a guy making 60 million guaranteed dollars and pouting over a really simple rule is a complete ing re . There are millions upon millions of people having to eat any piece of their manager throws their way every single day just to keep their jobs, and they don't make nearly as much money and their jobs aren't remotely as enjoyable. Ben Wallace has never had a real job in his entire ing life and it shows. Those of you that work for a living shouldn't waste your time tonguing his choad; it's beneath even those of you that don't have the guts to post up as yourselves.

    Ben Wallace is everything that's right with the NBA? The mother er can't get along with his coaches, bounces from team to team, can't hit a free throw to save his life and thinks his headband or his afro is more important than his team's losing streak 12 games into the season. You should be ashamed of yourself for even implying that.
    why shouldn't i defend him. the guy made a mistake. it's a ing basketball game, not life or death. and don't give me this "millions of people having to eat any piece of their manager throws their way" crap. ing quit if you don't like your job. people who cry about ball players salaries are whiny es. worry about your own salary. who cares if he's never had a real job in his entire life, and how the do you know that is the truth? you're talking out your ass. you want to call out fans for not posting as themselves, hypocrite? your name is obstructed view. now lick my frog balls.

    why has he bounced from team to team? i'll give you a hint, it's not because of his at ude. and what does it matter if he can't hit a free-throw to save his life? last i checked they didn't sign him to hit free-throws. and neither can tim, but no one is calling him out on it (and neither can dirk, when it matters. he chokes on balls). i don't think he has ever said that the headband was more important than winning a game. that's something you've made up, yet again. the headband shouldn't be an issue and he's wrong but does it make him a horrible teamate and player like some of you re s have suggested? no. we as spurs fans would love to have him on our team (sans the contract) as would any -ass maverick fan.

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    why shouldn't i defend him. the guy made a mistake. it's a ing basketball game, not life or death. and don't give me this "millions of people having to eat any piece of their manager throws their way" crap. ing quit if you don't like your job. people who cry about ball players salaries are whiny es. worry about your own salary. who cares if he's never had a real job in his entire life, and how the do you know that is the truth? you're talking out your ass. you want to call out fans for not posting as themselves, hypocrite? your name is obstructed view. now lick my frog balls.

    why has he bounced from team to team? i'll give you a hint, it's not because of his at ude. and what does it matter if he can't hit a free-throw to save his life? last i checked they didn't sign him to hit free-throws. and neither can tim, but no one is calling him out on it (and neither can dirk, when it matters. he chokes on balls). i don't think he has ever said that the headband was more important than winning a game. that's something you've made up, yet again. the headband shouldn't be an issue and he's wrong but does it make him a horrible teamate and player like some of you re s have suggested? no. we as spurs fans would love to have him on our team (sans the contract) as would any -ass maverick fan.
    For 60 millon dollars, I would play in a ballerina outfit if it was a rule my employer enforced, he shouldn't be crying about a damn headband.

    They didn't sign him to complain about headbands, and disrupt the team chemistry which is causing them to lose games, either. Apparently, him wearing a headband is more important than winning, if he knows it's a rule and he still wears it, causing him to be removed from the game.

  8. #58
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    The funniest thing is Chandler is currently outplaying him...

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    Ben tonight vs Chandler:

    Ben:
    32 minutes 1pt 4rbs 2asts 1blk

    Chandler:
    31 minutes 2pt 17rbs 1ast 3blk



    Even Chris Paul had 11 rbs (to go along w/ 18assists 25points 5steals &7to's)

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    I don't agree with that at all, the stipulations of his contract were not that he couldn't wear a headband, rather they were that his job was to play basketball and as a player he answers directly to his coach, Skiles or anyone else.

    That's a stupid argument because what if Skiles didn't ban headbands but the next coach did? Again his job is to answer directly to his coach and follow whatever rules he is given to follow.

    Jerry Sloan does the same thing, and he's a great coach, so if Skiles isn't a good coach is has nothing to do with if he allows headbands or not, and the bottom line is that Ben Wallace shouldn't be wearing one, and he shouldn't be ignoring the rules his coach has set...
    I'm guessing that you either aren't in a supervisory position or were not successful in one. You obviously don't know how to lead. It's not about you or your ego - it's about the success of the people who depend on you. You obviously don't "get it"

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    sounds like the Bulls paid 60 mil for a negro.
    WTF? Ban this .

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    Michael Richards? That you?

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    I'm guessing that you either aren't in a supervisory position or were not successful in one. You obviously don't know how to lead. It's not about you or your ego - it's about the success of the people who depend on you. You obviously don't "get it"
    Why don't you make a real argument instead of making assumptions about me and attacking me...

    Things seem to be working pretty well for Jerry Sloan even with his no head band rule, I don't hear Derrick Fisher crying about their 14-4 record, and I'd argue that a good leader is someone who will stand by his convictions, what's the point of having rules if you are going to let a spoiled super star get away with not following them?

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    I'm guessing that you either aren't in a supervisory position or were not successful in one. You obviously don't know how to lead. It's not about you or your ego - it's about the success of the people who depend on you. You obviously don't "get it"
    It is about the succes of the people who depend on you... all of them, not just the "superstar." In this case, as was stated by someone earlier, it is completely reasonable to suggest that willingness to conform to team dress codes creates an atmosphere that puts the team ahead of personal preferences, ultimately leading to more positive outcomes for the team as a whole.

    Whether or not that will result in this situation is yet to be seen, but it is not an outlandish policy if considered within that light. So please, don't attack other posters on their leadership ability when an argument can be made that enforcing a dress code uniformly could result in higher levels of "success of the people that depend on you."

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    ... can be made that enforcing a dress code uniformly could result in higher levels of "success of the people that depend on you."
    Just how is that? And the thing you said about the whole team and not the superstar? How is alienating the superstar over nothing NOT messing up the entire team? It's about Paxon and Skiles' ego here - don't think it's not.

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    That's a stupid argument...
    Who was attacking who first? I made a legitimate argument - just because your ass doesn't agree with it doesn't mean it's not legitimate. Your point of view could be wrong. It is possible. Arrogant Ass.

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