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I wonder if hes standing next to Parker when Pop looks Tony's way and says "Shoot more" and hes misinterpreting.
Beno is a chucker now. I don't know when that transformation happened, but he really just chucks it up there the majority of the time he's on the floor. I don't know if he's desperate to perform now or what.
I wonder if hes standing next to Parker when Pop looks Tony's way and says "Shoot more" and hes misinterpreting.
Since the Dallas game, Beno has crumbled.
I think Beno must have the green light to chuck it -- he doesn't get yanked for it, he gets yanked for defensive lapses. I'm trying to look up a FGA/48 stat -- he must be close to leading the team.
it looked like tim was waiting a bit long for the doubles to come late in the game. too much 4 down and parker trying to do everything himself. i would like to have seen some more movement in the second half, but it i imagine that would have happened if more shots were falling anyway. i didn't see the first half, was the ball movement a lot better?
Believe it or not, tonight Pop went small (Elson, Finley, Bowen, Udrih and Parker) in the 4th quarter and parlayed a deficit into a 3 point lead. Unfortunately, Boozer came in so Pop put Timmy back in and the rest was history.
Rebounding and a big differential at the FT line (9 points more) spelled the difference in the game. Down the stretch - the Spurs wilted and the Jazz ran strong through the tape.
Sad as it seems, Udrih scored 11 of the bench's 20 points.
Tony and Tim didn't do a very good job of finding the open men in the second half...that's what Duncan did so well in the first half.
You know...I don't think the Spurs are as bad of a rebounding team as they were last year, I actually think they can be pretty decent on the board if they actually attempt it. Boozer flat out out hustled Duncan for some boards tonight.
Anyway...I don't really think this one was on Pop, and the 4th quarter lineup with Beno and Barry was better than Vaughn and Finley...at least Barry can serve as a PG and will find the open guy...and did.
We do need one of Manu, Tim or Tony on there but I understand why it didn't happen with Manu out.
In closing I'd just like to say....Suprise....the Spurs need a long SF. I know, revelation.
We need a guy that's capable of handling SF's and 2 guards that go 235+.....our SF rotation of 35 year old, 6-,6 200lb shooting guards can't work miracles and that is a weakness that will continue to be exploited until we fix it. Fix that and we also solve the position where the rebounding disparity lies.
I don't have a doubt that if someone wants to go look at 82 games.com where they rate the Spurs statistically by position, there will be a huge disparity in boards at the SF position moreso than any other position.
For 2 guards Barry, Finley and Manu are all above average as rebounders IMO, as SF's they are well below average.
more Bowen or Horry running off picks?too much 4 down and parker trying to do everything himself
I somewhat agree that Pop is to "blame" for this, but there were some bold moves that I really appreciated on his part. Around the 10-9 minute mark remaining on the clock in the fourth, with the Spurs down 5 or 7, he made the lineup look like this: Tony, Beno, Finley, Bowen and Elson. Elson was the obvious center, but all other positions were up for grabs. They worked a great inside-outside strategy for a few minutes trying to feed Elson and get him double-teamed in order to kick the ball out for a quick shot (or, of course, pass to the nearest quick shot).
I can't fault Pop on this other than NOT trying out the same strategy with Timmy instead of Elson. His main problem is that he is too passive with subs, but is too active with changing the game plan. I loved the "1 big man, 4 guard" strat in order to get either the big or any number of shooters into the flow, as well as being able to pick up the pace for some quick scoring. I think the ideal situation, though, is having that strategy with Timmy, Tony, Manu, Barry and Bowen. It would be deadly.
Expect it come playoff time. I think it's too early in the season to give Pop any blame for anything. It's basically still "pre-season" to him.
Last edited by freemeat; 11-30-2006 at 04:32 AM.
But he was still one of only two players with a positive point differential. The other one was Horry.
Horry +5
Udrih +4
Barry -3
Finley -6
Bowen -6
Elson -6
Oberto -7
Parker -10
Duncan -11
time for a new coach!!!
Pop and Timmy are in it together. Pop fits in too well with the Spurs, I can't imagine what it'd be like for the Spurs to be under someone else.
Besides I think Pop is using these games as a "lab"
This year there doesn't look to be any particular regular season race like last year. Pistons aren't looming, you can't predict the winner, etc. Better we just take it easy and tinker around and lose a few battles. (Hence the Mavs could keep their stinkin W from last week. And Pop didn't argue in a classy way) Though I was really confused with that 4th quarter line-up he started when we were right there with the Mavs... and apparently he's still having strange 4th quarter squads at the beginning of these last three games as well.
You've just described going "small", or "small-ball" as some in here would say lovingly. Pop went away from it when Boozer came back in.
Spurs perimeter players just don't block out.
I absolutely think Beno's chucking is a Pop directive. I think Pop is trying to maintain a consistent offensive approach from his point guards throughout the game in order to avoid a lapse. In the past, Beno's been a decent shooter, but that may be because he was more selective with his shots...
The Spurs need their Big 3 to all be healthy. Their complimentary players suck ass, but if they have Ginobili, Parker, and Duncan all in good shape they can beat anybody. Ginobili is hurting right now. That's why you lost.
Those numbers can't be right...they should be the other way
Pop ask Beno and Tony to shot a lot and he is right.
Spurs need some scoring from their PG spot because Spurs' scoring from SG/SF/PF/C isn't enough. Just look at who plays at these spots for Spurs :
- 3 weak offensive players : Elson, Oberto and Bowen.
- 3 old shooters who can't create their own shot : Barry, Finley and Horry.
- Ginobili : who isn't a lot of the court because he is often injured and because he only plays 30 mpg when he is healthy. Scoring isn't too Ginobili main quality : he has "only" scored 16 ppg in his best season.
- Duncan : he is a great player but he isn't a scoring machine.
With Manu out, Finley and Horry cold : Beno has to shot a lot. People should realize that with Manu out Beno is the Spurs biggest perimeter thread when Tony is on the bench. We all have witnessed during the Mavs game at the start of the 4th quarter what happened when the PG isn't aggresive on the offensive end : Spurs offense is atrocious because nobody can create something. Beno shooting at a low FG% isn't a good thing for Spurs but it's better that Beno not shooting at all. Beno is too a good shooter, his FG% will likely soon raise, it's just a bod shooting streak.
you make sense but the Spurs are in trouble if Beno is there best hope.
Spurs need another player who can create, what's Allen Iverson doing these days?
I think the assertion that Barry and Finley can't create shots is completely false. The difference being that right now Finley can't make a shot to save his life.
Beno was instructed to shoot more. The Spurs desperately need scoring on the floor, especially since the bench is filled with guys who can score only in static sets, beyond the blue moon forays into the paint by Barry or Finley. We badly miss another player who can get points on his own and that lack of dynamism hurts us. Beno likely isn't that player, since he fails to be consistent, but that's what we need.
I was more talking about guys who finsih at the rim. We need another guy who can attack the basket.
someone like Allen Iverson or Richard Jefferson. What would Caron Butler cost the Spurs?
Last edited by 2centsworth; 11-30-2006 at 01:12 PM.
This year :
95% of Barry's shots are assisted
76% of Finley's shots are assisted
Last year :
78% of Barry's shots are assisted
79% of Finley's shots are assisted
It will be quite different for the playoffs. The big 3 (especially Duncan and Manu) will play more and shot more.
Naturally thats going to be the case when both are the 3rd option at best in most scenarios. There are 3 players on this team that get isolation plays and the rest play within the offense. Thats not to say that Finely and Barry are not capable penatrators.
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