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If Nash keeps up his current pace he will win MVP. No doubt about it. He is, without a doubt, the most valuable player to a team in the NBA. Take him off the Suns and they don't sniff the playoffs.
I don't have that kind of time. But finishing 3rd in the voting every year should give him a clear indication that shooting 40% from 3 and 90% from the FT line while averaging over 25 per game isn't going to get it done.
If Nash keeps up his current pace he will win MVP. No doubt about it. He is, without a doubt, the most valuable player to a team in the NBA. Take him off the Suns and they don't sniff the playoffs.
No ing way. He's not better than Bryant, or James, or Duncan, or Garnett, or Wade. No way in does he deserve a third MVP. You win the MVP, you better be the best player in the league or the player that wins the big one for his team. Nash is neither.
I'm glad you said this because now we have a chance to see how well the Lakers do without Lamar Odom... remember, they are undefeated when Kobe has been out...
LeBron and Garnett have won how many "big ones"?
As many as Steve Nash?
If those aren't MVP like numbers, what are you looking for? Don't forget to add in his 9 boards, 3 assists, and BTW it's 26 ppg. Don't forget his team beat the Suns in the WCF and they had a better record last year too.
And please don't give me that "they were hurt" BS either. Amare and KT were hurt before the trade deadline giving the Suns ample time to make a move to shore up the frontcourt. Also KT was cleared for play prior to the Dallas series and played 1 game while suiting up and sitting the rest.
And to the reason I wanted to post in the 1st place, Yao isn't an all-star every year because of his heritage.
That argument may have held water his rookie year. But Yao has been one of the best centers in the league over the past few years. Now he is the best center in the league hands down. Not to mention that Yao has shown steady improvement and progress in his game every year in his 5 year career.
Dirk is only averaging 24.6 ppg this year, not 26, pal... and my point is that there is more to getting an MVP than just numbers, which is why Nash has won it the past two seasons and one of the reasons why Bill Russell and Larry Bird both won 3 in a row as well. This is because they were hard workers who did more "little things" to help their teams win than just throwing numbers up there.
That 's argument was that you either have to be the best player in the league or win a le (which doesn't hold any weight because the voting occurs before the playoffs begin). Well, Wade and Bryant have won les, so that leaves Garnett and LeBron as the "best player in the game" (there can only be one of them...). It's just another classic case of not understanding that the award is for the player "most valuable" to his team, which in the Lakers' case would be Lamar Odom and not Kobe Bryant. And in the Suns' case, it is Steve Nash. Even though Nash hasn't been in the Finals, I doubt he would have choked for 4 straight games like Dirk (and if you ever watch Dirk he never does those "little things" the voters like to see).
Yao still is an All-Star starter because of his heritage - that is voted on by the fans, in case you didn't know that. Since 2003, the Chinese voters (they print the ballots in Mandarin, by the way) have been voting non-stop for Yao, both in the US and overseas. You probably said that Grant Hill (who was voted as a starter in 2001) should have still been an all-star even though he only played in 4 games that year and was injured at the all-star break. Fan voting for all-star games is a crapshoot because people usually vote for the name and not the season(s) each player is having. There is no doubt in my mind that Yao would be on the All-Star team any of these past few years based on how good of a center he is, but he would be on as a reserve.
It wasn't because Kurt Thomas was hurt that they lost to the Mavs, but rather because Raja Bell tore his calf and sat out a couple of games and was not even close to 70% in the ones he played. Kurt Thomas didn't play because D'Antoni probably didn't want to mess with the chemistry they had been working on starting in March when Thomas went down.
"Dirk is never deserving - let's not kid ourselves here... Nash was just being nice and trying to share with everyone - even his less-than-talented-can't-win-former-teammate"
isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? what has nash ever won? and to say that the suns wouldn't make the playoffs without nash is idiotic. they certainly wouldn't be as good, but they would still get in. as it is, they have no chance of winning because they lack the fundamental prerequisite, defense.
Actually, for a long time, the MVP was the chosen from the two teams with the two best records in the NBA. Usually, it was between the best players on their respective teams.
And did you seriously say Lamar Odom was more valuable to the Lakers than Kobe? That's like saying Marion, who does all the little things that Nash doesn't or can't, is more valuable than Nash.
Oh, wait...
Lakers are undefeated without Kobe... let's see their record without Odom - if it's .500 or less, then I'll go ahead and say I'm right... and Dirk is not deserving because he's just one part of a whole team (Terry, Howard, Dampier) that they need to actually contend for a le.
Never mind the context, here's the blatant partisanship!
The first part is a flawed argument.
The second part I'll reword for you: ...and Nash is not deserving because he's just one part of a whole team (Amare, Marion, Bell) that they need to actually make the Finals.
I've never said he should or will win another MVP. But he is still the most important part on that team and that's why he's still playing 37 mins per night because the offense goes stagnant when he's out of the game. He's singlehandedly kept them in nearly half these games on the winning streak, while Kobe's ball-hogging in the 4th quarter tonight completely took the Lakers out of their rhythm.
How? That doesn't make sense... they've beat 3 quality opponents when Kobe has been out... the triangle offense works much better when he is out of the lineup and Odom and Walton are playing well. Any contribution out of Kwame Brown is a bonus. Kobe is getting better as a leader and is a far better leader than Dirk ever will be.
Miami Heat coach Pat Riley has nothing but high praise for Steve Nash, the NBA's two-time reigning MVP.
"He may be the best player in the league," Riley said.
Oh God - where are the Pistons, Bulls, and Mavs fans to say that Pat Riley doesn't know ?? Come on out - we're waiting for you.
Oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god yes yes yes yes yes for the white man!
I'm sure his agent thought that was a very nice thing to say.
Are you ing serious or are you just an idiot? The Lakers have won THREE games this season without Kobe, not exactly a record number of games. let's look at those games.
1. 10/31 against the Suns - AMARE ONLY PLAYED 11 MINUTES AND HAD 6 POINTS. hmmmm, i wonder if this has something to do with the lakers win.
2. 11/01 against Golden State - sure, I'll give you this ONE game
3. 12/08 against the Hawks - Lamar Odom played 41 minutes and had a HUGE SIX POINTS!!! SIX as in 6!!!
So basically you're using one good game as evidence, awesome!
No, I'm using as evidence that the Lakers are 3-18 since the 04-05 season without Lamar Odom and most of those WITH Kobe. So, I guess you're giving the Lakers the benefit of the doubt for winning the game because Amare only had 6 points in that game, but not the Suns for losing it (based on your asinine post in the Spurs forum)? That makes sense.
And you know why the Lakers lose without Odom? They give up an average of 11 more points per game in those 21 without him, so his impact may be more on the defensive end, rather than scoring just 6 points. I know as a Mavs fan, points (especially how much Dirk scores) matter most to you, but there are more things that happen on the basketball court, sweetheart.
You make the least sense on this board. White men such as Steve Kerr have been a major key in your championships... oh yeah, and Kirk Heinrich is your current PG.
You do realize most of those games were actually IN the 04-05 season right? Kobe only missed two games last season and I know the Lakers lost one of those games, not sure about the other. Maybe you should also check out the stats of the other players sans Odom and see how different they were from 04-05 and last season/current season. Why the am I even arguing this point, it's about as dumb as saying D'Antoni's a better coach than Phil Jackson.
I'm not even getting into coaching battles. Phil is a great coach, but HE was extremely concerned about Odom going down. Odom is one of the most vital parts of this team and if you can't realize that, then don't when Josh Howard goes down again. Because I'll just bring up your stupid point right here that a long, large, quick small foward who can finish at the rim, rebound, and hit the outside shot, isn't valuable to a team's success... if there wasn't such an example of an Odom-like player (minus the fact that Howard can't pass as well as Odom) on your team, this wouldn't be so easy.
Odom makes the triangle (that's the offense that Phil runs, honey) click and when he's not in, you can't trust Kwame Brown, Andrew Bynum, Ronny Turiaf, or Luke Walton to run it in his absence. Hence, everyone starts standing around while Kobe jacks up shots like they did towards the end of the game tonight. So what if "most of those games were in the 04-05 season" as you graciously point out? Odom's playing some of his best ball in the last 4 years, so he's even MORE valuable than he was back then.
Who's ing? I believe we were 6-1 at the start of our win streak with JHo out of the lineup.
You made the mistake of not looking at the fluff schedule you had when he was down... Memphis (twice), Chicago (during the headband controversy period), Charlotte, Portland, Minnesota, and Toronto? Not the best of compe ion there... you were so swift to call out the Suns' "weaker" schedules and quality of victories while ignoring the huge dearth of talent on the oppoents during the stretch without "J. Ho." , Howard was out against the Suns, so you do have that victory, but that's about it.Who's ing? I believe we were 6-1 at the start of our win streak with JHo out of the lineup.
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