johngates, you are my mate in the fight against 760. You've cracked me up several times on this site. I enjoy reading your posts. But I think you got in over your head from the beginning on this one and it's not working out for ya. I'm usually on your side, but come on, if she is going to make herself this public, she asking for criticism and judgment. If she didn't want it, she could move away from LA, but she's obviously fine with it.
If she is free to act like an idiot, we are free to judge.
No, no...please let him continue.
...i made a judgment on to from what he has said in post game conferences and things that have been heard on the field as well as his actions on previous teams. that is to's job and he has a long track record of destroying teams that he has played for.
lohan on the other hand has been judged not by her craft or actions from work, but instead her personal life. that is a big difference compared to what have done with to, whom i have judged solely on his work.
johnny blaze,
...you referenced a quote of mine from another thread, upon which i got a good laugh out of, for it only backs up my argument. in that post i am judging to and what he has said during games and in post game conferences. the fact that i said he should eat more pills is a judgment based upon HIS work and actions in work, not anything to do with his personal life. i think it is unfortunate what happened to him and i don't pretend to know why he had some health issues that night and i am glad he is OK. there is a big difference between judging to for his actions and words in work, which we know about and poking fun that he should go away, vs. making light of his personal life, of which i know nothing and am glad i do. i could care less.
i have had many arguments/conversations with close friends on subjects such as these and the reason is b/c i think americans are far too judgmental and for no reason. take a look at your own life and deal with that, there is usually plenty there to keep people occupied. furthermore, more times than not, not only are the judgments wrongly based, many turn out to be inaccurate.
i find it funny how everyone seems to be ganging up on me in this thread. i suppose i am to believe most of my allegations are true, then. nothing anybody has posted has had any merit in combating what i have spoke. there is however, one poster whom has made a logical claim and that is Manny....whom posted that you could make an argument that celebrities personal life is their business. and while i disagree with that and always have, imo, its just not fair as would be someone to make light of Tim Duncan's personal life (both entertainers). its none of our business...but you can thank the American people and media for being obsessed with high profile people's personal lives b/c MOST LIKE TO TEAR PEOPLE DOWN AND JUDGE for if they can't do what others have or there is strife, they are unhappy with their own life.
1. “Never judge a man's actions until you know his motives”
2. “We can never judge the lives of others, because each person knows only their own pain and renunciation. It's one thing to feel that you are on the right path, but it's another to think that yours is the only path.”
3. “Judgements prevent us from seeing the good that lies beyond appearances.”
and one of the greatest poems of all time:
4. "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat."
-- Theodore Roosevelt
...i am not overtaken with trying to convince others on this forum that my ideas are the only right ones or that i should convince you to change your ways. however, i am alerted to the fact that i do think many here are too judgmental, but i won't waste anymore time trying to convince you otherwise. at the end of the day, i only wish you satisfaction and fulfillment.
Wow, it's Lindsay Lohan! Is it really worth all that?
let it go...
At the end of the day, I only wish you would stop being a hypocrite.
You gotta love the "everybody ganging up on me" route, though.
No kidding!
Well, it's been two days since Britney's done anything stupid.No kidding!
My judging is ok because...blah blah.
Yours is not because blah blah blah.
Got it!
wow, i expected a bit more from you...suppose i should just lump you in with the rest. there is a clear line in my logic...and i am sorry if most of you cannot see it.
then again, this is exactly what i am talking about. short sided, unsympathetic, and illogical.
You can't knock the judging of celebrties when these people have created an industry to do just that because it furthers their careers and pocketbooks!!!!!!! Lindsey WANTS to be judged because of the PR it generates. Its foolish to sit here and "defend" her.
There is no moral highground to be had in this thread.
interesting, and i'll answer it honestly. if that happened:
1. i would be upset
2. i would not be angry or judge, that accomplishes nothing
3. i would want to know what caused her to do such things, but i would not press charges right away, i would want to know the why and if there was intent and so forth
...after all that then i would make a decision, no reason to jump to conclusions here.
Manny,
...while some celebrities have, apparently, searched for fame outside of the big screen i think a majority have not. its not there fault they cannot get an instant of privacy and all of there decisions are analyzed under a microscope. i think you would be singing a different tune if you were in their place.
1. i wonder how many of you had the full college experience?
2. have you ever dated a woman that does not wear underwear? (big deal that britney was not wearing underwear that day someone took a photo) she can't live her own life?
3. girls that sleep around, do drugs, do...whatever really, happens all the time....and the majority are not celebrities...instead probably many people you know, or friends of people you know
EDIT: can't believe i forgot to mention this earlier. of course, to be human is to judge...thats natural. and while nobody is perfect, including me, that does not mean we cannot strive. and while some of you have chosen to try and pick apart what i have said in the past...(whether you deem it successful or not)...that doesn't make anything i am saying untrue. we can all learn from everybody.
Last edited by johngateswhiteley; 12-14-2006 at 06:15 PM.
I think you're greatly mistaken if you feel the vast majority of Hollywood doesn't play the media and love every second of exposure they get. Who's got a new reality TV show this season?
...i don't follow hollywood that closely, i could care less. however, when i was living in LA you can't help but run into it and from my observations i would say the vast majority of hollywood does not want to be bothered by the media. but there is a difference between playing the media and being bothered by it. as for the reality show? lol, i can't stand all that garbage...so i don't know. but that show would be on their terms, that is a difference...
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