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[QUOTE=Bruno]The good news is that Pop hasn't given up on Beno. It's now up to Beno to show that he really wants to play by playing hard in pratice and during games.
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What other choices does he have ?
Than hoping beno finally makes it.
I think Beno's lack of desire is because he doesn't want to play with the Spurs. IMHO
[QUOTE=Bruno]The good news is that Pop hasn't given up on Beno. It's now up to Beno to show that he really wants to play by playing hard in pratice and during games.
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What other choices does he have ?
Than hoping beno finally makes it.
Not on the Spurs.
Maybe the Spurs can get away with it in the regular season but in the playoffs, teams would gameplan to make Vaughn shoot whenever he's on the court. Remember how much of a disaster it was when teams forced Anthony Carter and Jason Hart to shoot? Vaughn is an even worse shooter.
You want a guy whose claim to fame is missing 23 consecutive shots to play in the playoffs? I don't.
In a perfect world, Beno will step up and claim the backup PG spot. Vaughn would be used as a change of pace player you bring in for a couple minutes to play pressure defense.
Last time Pop called out Beno it worked. He played his best game of the season in the first game of the season against the Maverick. Ever since then, it's been a steady decline back into mediocrity.
And actually, I think Pop has been more than fair with him. He not only let him play game after game while he was playing worse and worse, he even found time for him next to Tony.
Now, again, it's up to Beno to sink or swim.
I believe more and more that SA is just not the right team for Beno. He can play in the NBA but maybe not in such an elite team. He could probably develop well in a team with less pressure, and with a different type of coach.
some players can play and produce anywhere, whatever the conditions, others can't.
It's not like Pop has never given up on a player.
Beno is in the doghouse but the door is still open.
That sucks, I still think that Beno is better than Vaughn.
I remember more the whole Spurs team unable to hit a jumpshot against Lakers after game 2 when they decided to close the paint as answer to Parker's penetrations. This years, Spurs' shooters are way better than in 04.
I remember than the last good shooting PG not named Beno with a Spurs jersey was Terry Porter in 02.
I remember Spurs winning a le in 05 while it was Parker's worse shooting year.
He won't be famous for that, Kevin Burleson has missed something like 36 consecutives shots last year.
I don't remember much of the Anthony Carter era, because he only played like 12 games.
Whats Vaughn's shooting percentage the last few games hes played.
Whens the last time Beno got 11 assists in 19 minutes..
You don't remember cycling through backup point guards such as AC, Shane Heal and Jason Hart?
33%.
Whats Vaughn's shooting percentage the last few games hes played.
On the season, 25%.
I remember that year Mercer plaing a PG at some point when Parker, Carter and Hart were injured
Brezec is trying after a miracle of a expansion team. Even I would be happy if somebody would prove to me that Santa is indeed Kris Kringle. But miracles are rare.
Beno on the other hand got his miracle with the draft alone. And then he (I agree with you) didn't work for it enough. But wasn't respected either on this team. A great talent from the bench never quite pulled that magic we all know he is able to produce but wasn't bad at all for a rookie.
And lack-of-defense argument is BS. He was the best defense-per-minutes pointguard his first season by 82games. And then they pulled Nick the Quick. Pop alone is responsible for the failure of that repeat. Like Bird&Carlisle, who kept Brezec as away as possible from the court. Like Mitc who will entrap Slokar in the same joke of smart team managment.
I know people are apt to completely blame Pop for not playing Beno last year over Nick (and yes, Pop acknowledged that perhaps Beno's development was hurt by not getting more time). But does anyone stop to think that if Beno was working his ass off in practice (as most backup players in the NBA need to do) that he would have been given more of a chance??
Just a thought.
Slovenian ballas are blameless.
I blame Beno for ruining the Spur's calander this year.
I'm threw with Beno. I'm so tired of him.
I blame all of them intently and with rage incomparable. But here I'm not critisizing/praising Beno afterall...so what your ing point?! Slomo on the other hand is wholly on the other side of the argument. Along with you, Chump.
Slovenian ballas are blameless.
Kori...Was he lazy? I was reading here mostly about how Nick is a vet and a value beyond measure for the playoffs. Beno was praised for rare games when he got some minutes, and never i heard a remark about his laziness.
If he wasn't lazy, if he was working and improving and with a spark of that famous ambition to winning, he certainly got shafted. I cannot see otherwise. That can be said specialy if you compare his plays against the improvement of TP. Beno was on the other hand critisized for the defense all three years, while he was statisticaly PERFECT the first year, hardly played the next and is now a 3rdstringer.
I pretty much tired of this BS about pressure defense. Beno has the right to be pissed. He was chambered for the purpose of education of TP. Beno on the other hand never got the chance to improve. Pop is the reason. It is that simple.
Not indefinitely.
Beno was perfect statistically EVER? Dude, are you blowing Beno? Seriously, Beno's defense sucks. His work ethic has always sucked. This is not something that started wth the NBA, as I understand it his previous coaches have stated this in the past too.
Its crazy that TP gets hate from the Manu lovers and now he's getting hate from a Beno lover on top of that. Beno shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence as Parker because Parker owns him in every single thing you can name.
I'm sorry, but I really am rolling over this part:
"with a spark of that famous ambition to winning"
Beno can regain his statistical perfection if he continues to get DNPs.
Beno definitely has problems dealing with his situation. He's the kind of guy who needs to feel he has the coach confidence. The lack of stability in his situation really hurts his game.
I wouldn't blame Pop at all either. He's a great coach because of the way he's coaching.
It was succesfull with Tony. But it's obviously not working with Beno, so far at least.
stiff back up who wont stay in shape, or all star top 5 in the NBA point guard.He was chambered for the purpose of education of TP
Yeah tough decision there.
whats funny about that.blame Pop for not playing Beno last year over Nick
Van Exel was never believed to be the MAIN backup.
Beno just got outworked and out practiced for the backup spot.
Plain and simple.
I will repeat myself for the last time. I want to see effort from him!!!
Brezec is not the most talented player in the NBA, but he is working his ass off to make up for what he lacks in talent - that's something nobody can take away from him and that's something I respect him for (so do others, I've heard many announcers call him the "underrated" center). Would I draft him into my imaginary bball team? probably not but it's not the point of this discussion.
When I look at Beno I see the ghost of Marko Milic hovering over him - and it scares me. Beno is somebody I desperately want to succeed because otherwise it's a huge wast of talent, but I'm not going to start blaming others until he has exonerated himself of his part in the current situation. Until I see changes in his at ude and effort - he's the main culprit.
I was firmly on his side last year because I thought he was not responsible for the situation he was in. This year? it's his fault first, everything else second.
You're his apologist here, that's the point.But here I'm not critisizing/praising Beno afterall...so what your ing point?!
Beno was never perfect on defense.
You can say NVE played too much, but when Beno got a chance to prove himself last season, he got his ass handed to him by a mini-me power forward from the Albuquerque Thunderbirds.
This season, when presented with a golden opportunity to nail down the backup point slot for years to come, Beno comes in and starts chucking like Antoine Walker and allowing more backdoor baskets in one game than Parker has allowed in his entire career. Overall he has sucked so badly this year, he has justified Pop's turning the job over to a guy who was shooting 19% from the floor because Vaughn can be counted upon to suck slightly less on average.
Beno is talented. Sure. So what? NBA bench players have to be ready to perform at a high level with little to no notice, and no guarantee of minutes. There are 30+ point guards in the NBA and more in the minors who can accept this. Why can't Beno?
Sorry but that's not true either. Even Pop admited that he was giving VanX priority.
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