Yes.
I am sort of joking, but it's been obvious for quite some time that the Spurs have been intentionally not taking on contracts that extend into '08-'09.
The reason Mike Dunleavy, Sr. hates Maggette goes back to Maggette's days at Duke. Maggette promised Coach K that he'd stay in school until at least his sop re year. But Maggette left after his freshman year and ever since the feeling at Duke is that Maggette is the one who "ruined" the notion that Duke players stay in school.
And Dunleavy somehow became the world's biggest Duke homer after his son attended the school.
I can't believe a spurs official claims maggette would get less then 26 mpg here, i know for a fact Pop would play him at least 30 minutes a game at PF! Small Ball Part Deux!
Im praying this is a CIA effort to get a PG thrown in.
Daniel Ewing isn't worse than Beno, is he?
At least Maggette could survive at PF. You'd think small ball Pop would be all over this.
Who the wants Artest now? If your team gets him he'll just be traded again. Artest is a cancer for teams.
Barry and Beno can shoot, Barry is one of the smartest NBA players with one of, if not the, best shot in the league.
Spurs don't need Maggette, but they do need someone similiar, the infamous long 3. Gerald Wallace seems to found his spot in Charlotte so I doubt he's gone from the Bobcats, but someone like Childress just seems to be in no man's land, and he'd be a good fit, no, a great fit.
Come on Spurs, have second thoughts for the love of god....
Hopefully this is the same source that said Artest deal was pretty much done and the spurs actually do this trade.
Um, yeah, and all it would take to get Josh out of Atlanta is one of Manu, TD, or TP.someone like Childress just seems to be in no man's land
Wake up people. As much as this forum floats scrubs for studs trade ideas all the damn time, you think people would be all over a deal like this that actually sends out two scrubs and gets us back a stud.
I'm coming around on Maggette.
Last edited by Bob Lanier; 12-31-2006 at 01:35 AM.
There has to be more to it than this. There just has to be.
Beno + Barry
for
Maggette + Ewing
B&B for the Duke Brothers.
My opinion is that the Spurs are up to something, even if the article says otherwise.
The Spurs can't be serious.
You get rid of two of your worst defenders, and you get back a physical big wing, that is agressive and takes it to the rack like Manu, and rebounds, and CAN play defense.
Theres just got to be a CIA explanation.
That trade works, and that's what the clips want. I also think the spurs are probably up to something as well.
The Clippers must be pretty desperate if there's a grain of truth to this story but yeah, this is a no-brainer if its true. Beno doesn't even play anymore and when he does he's too inconsistent. I just don't trust Beno in the playoffs and I don't think Pop does either so why are we still screwing around with him.
I'd hate to see Barry go because he's finally playing the type of ball we knew he was capable of playing with the Spurs but Maggette would still bring more to the table:
Ranks #1 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts Per 48 Minutes(13.1)
Ranks #2 in the NBA in Free Throws Per 48 Minutes(10.8)
Ranks #12 in the NBA in Free Throws(160.0)
Ranks #15 in the NBA in Free Throw Attempts(194.0)
He gets to the line an insane amount of times for a guard and that quality is great come playoff time. He also is getting 5.6 rebs/game in only 26min this season. We're so hurting for rebounding that he's almost worth it just for that.
Sure we'd lose a great shooter/ballhandler in Barry but giving Manu some of the minutes lost to Barry and cutting down some of Finley's minutes should make up for it. Beno doesn't even really count. Maggette's talents in boarding and getting to the ft line in tough games should pay dividends in the playoffs.
One thing that struck me about Maggette though is that he hasn't really played a full 82 game season healthy in his career. Is he a bit of a china doll?
That would kick ass.
Sacramento isn't interested in dealing with a division rival. Methinks you need to lay down the pipe.
Dunleavy wants Maggette gone. It'll happen, it's just a question of whether we're the beneficiary or not.
Yeah he is. Most of it has to do with driving into the line so much. He takes a much bigger pounding than even Manu does. But that's one of the reasons you could get him for Brent Barry and change.
But yeah, his ability to get to the line and rebound are reasons enough to get him. Manu doesn't drive as much this year and Tony never really gets calls at the rim.
I just don't buy this. There is no ing way Pop is hesitant to deal anyone on this team outside of the big three. There's just no ing way. I mean com'on, Barry already had his bags packed last year and while his play has improved a great deal you can't tell me that Pop is more in love with 3 point shooting than defense and rebounding.
I don't buy into this story one bit. If for whatever reason it is true, then Pop and this front office have passed their prime and are sliding very quickly into Isiah territory. The trades you pass on that can make you a much better team are as bad as the ones you make that are busts.
I just can't belive this though. Pop wouldn't give two s and a giggle about getting rid of Beno right now, so this amounts to Brent for Maggette. We have Finley and Bonner off the bench to hit 3s, so you can't tell me that Barry and his ball handling are holding this trade up. No ing way.
It would be too ridiculous of a pass for me to believe it.
It's quite surprising that Spurs aren't ready to trade Barry+Beno ofr Maggette. I can see 4 explanations :
- Spurs are dumb and they think that Barry will help them more than Maggette. I agree with timvp that a player like Maggette will really help Spurs. Tyronn Lue is a better rebounder than our starting SF.
- Spurs are cheap and they don't want to take Maggette contract. the last year with a player option is maybe a problem for the 08 plan.
- Maggette agent has called Spurs to say that Maggette doesn't want to play for them or that he wants to start or that he wants guaranteed playtime or that he wants to have some offensive touchs.
- CIA : Spurs are working on a trade and they use their PR to try to raise Barry value and to discrease Maggette value.
It's money. The Spurs are balking at paying $7-8M/yr for three years for a player who 1) whines and 2) gets hurt a lot. That's too much money for a risky investment. Also, this team's bench clearly works best when Barry and even Udrih are moving the ball around, which Maggette wouldn't do. If he weren't such a malcontent, was less expensive salary-wise, and heartier, they'd be less reluctant to pull the trigger. They aren't fantasizing about this guy as much as we are.
Isn't that Beno in a nuts ?
Maggette is going to opt out of that final year guaranteed. So basically, the contract would end up being for the same amount as Barry + Beno.
Perhaps in the regular season but that dies in the playoffs. In the playoffs, Barry and Beno are almost worthless.
I want Maggette too, but...
It's not guaranteed Maggette opts out of that last year of that contract. If the Spurs are all-fired to get cap room that year, they can't risk a good chunk of it disappearing (though they could always trade him).
Maggs isn't the long-term fix for anything. Not the way the Spurs seem to see it. He's not big and long. He's not known to be a good defender. He doesn't shoot from long range terribly well (and is plain terrible this year). Plus he whines (expensively) and he gets hurt a ton.
Getting him would mean less money to freely use in MLE and other deals this summer and going forward on Nocioni, Gerald Wallace, Pietrus, or others that might become available. If this report is true, they likely just don't see him fixing any specific roles (roles are terribly important for this team), and as a luxury item with a large price tag who would cost who may be, in Barry, their fourth best player so far this year (whose role is clearly defined).
I think it's money.
I'd do that trade then call up Will Conroy to fill the PG slot.
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