American founded to be free, not secular

[PixelPusher]

this is from the clown who is in an uproar because Rep-elect Keith Ellison wants to use the Koran in a private swearing in ceremony. Now it has come out the Koran Ellison will be using was donated to the Library of Congress. It's original owner? Thomas Jefferson.

Thomas Jefferson owned a copy of the Koran? Put that islamofascist sympathizer on the no-fly list!

[boutons_]

January 3, 2007

Congressman to Be Sworn in Using Quran

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Filed at 5:51 p.m. ET

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Rep.-elect Keith Ellison, the first Muslim elected to Congress, will use a Quran once owned by Thomas Jefferson during his ceremonial swearing-in Thursday.

The chief of the Library of Congress' rare book and special collections division, Mark Dimunation, will walk the Quran across the street to the Capitol and then walk it back after the ceremony.

Ellison, D-Minn., contacted the library about the book last month, Dimunation said.

Some critics have argued that only a Bible should be used for the swearing-in. Last month, Virginia Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., warned that unless immigration is tightened, ''many more Muslims'' will be elected and follow Ellison's lead. Ellison was born in Detroit and converted to Islam in college.

( dammit, America is full of religious dumb s and rabble rousers )

Ellison spokesman Rick Jauert said the new congressman ''wants this to be a special day, and using Thomas Jefferson's Quran makes it even more special.''

''Jefferson's Quran dates religious tolerance to the founders of our country,'' he added.

( religious tolerance and liberal open-mindedness is totally foreign to the Bible-thumpers. It's their sect, or you're going to )

An English translation of the Arabic, it was published in 1764 in London, a later printing of one originally published in 1734.

''This is considered the text that shaped Europe's understanding of the Quran,'' Dimunation said.

It was acquired in 1815 as part of a 6,400-volume collection that Jefferson sold for $24,000, to replace the congressional library that had been burned by British troops the year before, in the War of 1812.

''It was a real bargain,'' Dimunation said.

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The USA is now on the path to becoming secular/Nazi and into (Christian) now.

The problem for the Bible-thumpers with Ellison is not that he's religious, but that he's not in their narrow-minded, approved flavor of religion.

[ChumpDumper]

Looks like some Judeo-Christians are less equal than others:

Forty-three percent (43%) of American voters say they would never even consider voting for a Mormon Presidential candidate. Only 38% say they would consider casting such a vote while 19% are not sure (see crosstabs). Half (53%) of all Evangelical Christians say that they would not consider voting for a Mormon candidate.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Poli...MittRomney.htm

Whatever.

[PixelPusher]

Looks like some Judeo-Christians are less equal than others:

Forty-three percent (43%) of American voters say they would never even consider voting for a Mormon Presidential candidate. Only 38% say they would consider casting such a vote while 19% are not sure (see crosstabs). Half (53%) of all Evangelical Christians say that they would not consider voting for a Mormon candidate.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Poli...MittRomney.htm

Whatever.

Nobody, including evangelical bible beaters, likes the other guys' Bible/Koran/Dianetics/Book-of-Mormon beaters.

[exstatic]

I'm wondering if Mitt Romney will use some famous personality's Book Of Mormon to swear in if he wins...

[ChumpDumper]

Steve Young's?

What's hilarious is that Mit is the only Republican cadidate-to-be that could really be acceptable to the bible thumpers.

[gtownspur]

Steve Young's?

What's hilarious is that Mit is the only Republican cadidate-to-be that could really be acceptable to the bible thumpers.

You're a dumbass.

How did you arrive to such assinine conclusion.

[exstatic]

You're a dumbass.

How did you arrive to such assinine conclusion.

He looked at the major compe ors: Rudy Guiliani and McCain. Neither is well loved by the Right, although Rudy did marry a cousin.

[Ocotillo]

although Rudy did marry a cousin.

Thus locking up the Alabama vote.

[Ocotillo]

I'm wondering if Mitt Romney will use some famous personality's Book Of Mormon to swear in if he wins...

At some point during the upcoming campaign, preferably in a televised debate, some reporter has to ask him the question, "Will you be taking the oath of office with your hand on the Book of Mormon should you win?"

[exstatic]

Thus locking up the Alabama vote.

Yeah, but he's a Mackerel Snapper and has liberal social positions, so their little heads will probably explode.

[Ocotillo]

On a more serious note, the three leading GOPers at this time, none are southerners. That is a big deal because in the last election the party became even more regionalized as a southern party. Huckabee is suppose to make a run but he has some "liberal" baggage as well and Sam Brownback is the "cultural" candidate.

I think the GOP race is wide open and none of the "big three" are going to make the final cut.......

[gtownspur]

Thus locking up the Alabama vote.

eXCEPT it's arkansas that condones such practices.

[Ocotillo]

And I would not be suprised if McCain in a fit of pique should he fall short of the GOP nomination, grabs Lieberman and they both run as indies. Thing is, they are two of very few elected officials who are calling for troop increases in Iraq. Oh yeah, the decider has decided on that too which is about as popular as calling for tsunamis in Hawaii.

[exstatic]

eXCEPT it's arkansas that condones such practices.

Georgia allows it, too.

[velik_m]

Once again Chump, you are one. They are converting churches in Europe to apartments and selling them because no one supports them anymore.
Is that what you want over here?

apparently the idea is american.

http://www.therealdeal.net/issues/JA...1167682917.php
http://nationalcatholicreporter.org/.../bn022206b.htm
http://www.ci.junction-city.or.us/pl...tes.jul25.html

Never heard of this before, though.

[ChumpDumper]

You're a dumbass.

How did you arrive to such assinine conclusion.

You tell me which presumptive Republican candidate's social views most closely match those of the religious right.

[gtownspur]

You tell me which presumptive Republican candidate's social views most closely match those of the religious right.

except Mitt Romney's only strong suppiort comes from Mormons if you want to get technical on religous right backing.

[smeagol]

Looks like some Judeo-Christians are less equal than others:

Forty-three percent (43%) of American voters say they would never even consider voting for a Mormon Presidential candidate. Only 38% say they would consider casting such a vote while 19% are not sure (see crosstabs). Half (53%) of all Evangelical Christians say that they would not consider voting for a Mormon candidate.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Poli...MittRomney.htm

Whatever.

Are Mormons Christians?

I don't think they are.

[Extra Stout]

I don't think our notions of "religious" and "secular" in this debate really apply to the mindset of the Founding Fathers in the 18th century. They weren't concerned about the emasculation of religion in society; rather, they were concerned about state-enforced sectarianism. The prevailing principle was freedom of conscience in matters of faith.

[boutons_]

"state-enforced sectarianism"

The US Cons ution separation of church and state was a reaction to the suffocating, all-powerful, pervasive, above-the-law amalgam of King + Church, in England and France.

The Bible-thumpers and evangelicals, along with all their laundry lists of willful ignorances, have a pernicious agenda to force their religious sect, Christianity, as the official US religion.

[ChumpDumper]

except Mitt Romney's only strong suppiort comes from Mormons if you want to get technical on religous right backing.

No , idiot. Thanks for repeating my point. Now answer my question.

[ChumpDumper]

Are Mormons Christians?

I don't think they are.

At the risk of starting a whole new thing here, tell me why.

[Extra Stout]

At the risk of starting a whole new thing here, tell me why.

As a general rule, and not a canonical one, I treat a belief system as Christian if it adheres to the Apostles', Nicene, and Athanasian creeds.

LDS rejects the Nicene creed.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Georgia allows it, too.

and Texas