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See, I agree with this.
But you have to admit, there sure are a damn load of people that disagree at this point.
Leaving will make the situation much, much worse.
See, I agree with this.
But you have to admit, there sure are a damn load of people that disagree at this point.
I hear that phrase over and over again, as if that was the last word on whether we should stay or leave. It's like telling someone he shouldn't remove the knife that's stuck in his jugular vein because it will cause it to bleed faster; that's factually correct, but ignores the fact that leaving it in will kill you just as assuredly.
Fear of some phantom weapon while Iran waves theirs in our face. Don't make up and lose. Moral of the story.
My problem with the Ray's is that we had a man (Powell), deep inside, that admitted the reasons for war had to outweigh the reasons against. He admitted the fix was on.
Iraq, I believe, has the 4th largest oil reserve in the world. Who takes control of the oil production and the coin in brings in if we leave prior to setting up some form of order? Think of the funding this would provide terrorist organizations should they seize control of the country's oil production. Were talking unlimited funds to finance their terror operations worldwide.
Look, I'm not happy with the way things are going over there but there is more to it than simply packing up and heading home. Hopefully a solution can be found soon but cutting and running is going to open a huge can of worms IMHO.
So now it's about oil?
Sure, but not about the US taking the oil like many on the left have stated.
We were never going to take the oil, just buy it from a friendly government. It was good to see Bushy finally admit that before the election.
So we can't leave because "the terrorists" will get control of the oil. Who are "the terrorists"? The sunni minority (al Qaeda is a sunni terrorist group)? The Shia majority (which makes Iraq the little brother nation to known terrorism state sponsor Iran)? Pick your poison.
"to take the oil, just buy it from a friendly government"
"Reportedly", there is a bill before the Iraqi legislature that gives US oilcos extremely favorable sweetheart deals to go after Iraq's oil, the 2nd largest shallow-depth (cheaper to extract) and high-quality (cheaper to refine) reserves in the world. Essentially what Western oilcos had at Sakhalin2 before Putin kicked them out and effectively nationalized the project.
Of course, with debilitating insecurity in Iraq, even current oil operations are risky.
This is kinda radical and strident, but I'm open to anybody refuting it:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/101706K.shtml
Last edited by boutons_; 01-10-2007 at 06:06 PM.
Good question, PP.
Give it all to the Kurds?
Well old friend, I did for about 23 years worth. Most of it in foreign lands.
And I would again if I weren't so damn old. Then I spent some more years
about 25 in public service, not the post office. So suit up I did twice,
as far as my kids, well they are a little old, but I do have a grandson serving.
Now, just sit back quietly and enjoy the freedoms others have given you.
Believe it or not we who did and do serve don't begrudge you your
freedom to do as you please. That is why we were there. All we ask is
don't deprive us our freedom to act in your behalf and love and honor our
country. Right, wrong or indifferently it is ours to serve and protect.
Others in other capacities also serve, not just the military. They lay
their lives on the line every day.
It just gets a little worrisome and aggravating when the media and others
start keeping a box score on casualties we sustain and never report
the gains the military makes. And believe me they do make gains.
Otherwise, the enemy wouldn't be making so much noise. It is also
worrisome that we have so called leaders in our country that
desire power so much that they would bring defeat on our country to
"get even" with a President who defeated them in an election.
And people like you that support these leaders.
"Give it all to the Kurds?"
The Kurds already have quite a bit of oil in the Kurdish area. How could they be given oil that is the Shia areas? Sunni areas don't have much oil in comparison.
I know, I'm just throwing that out there because it shows there isn't a tidy solution while the Kurds are the only group that look like they would act in our interest.
Hey ray. How much oil is left in the battle of Midway? Is your grandson in bush's battle, or the war on terror? There is a difference.
If you support this war, shouldn't you be OK with your kids fighting in Irak?
Just asking.
Reference the three post above. You are the biggest bunch of hypocrits I have
had the pleasure of knowing.
All you ever do is say what are you doing, I have ask before and gotten snide answers
what the have any of you ever done for your country. What I feel I have
expressed with no regrets. Obviously most of you would not support your country.
Even our going to be newbie citizen smeagol, how much are you willing to give
to the country you are so willing to become a citizen of. Hmmmm?
How do I know this, by your comments above our country.
End of my post on this subject.
I asked an honest question and I do not see an answer anywhere in your lengthy post.
I would've supported my kids going to WWII, a fight worth fighting. I don't think I would support my kids going to Iraq. Porbably 75% or more of the fathers and mothers of the US agree with me.
Why do you get so upset about it?
It's not so much supporting the country; it's a question of supporting our government's military actions. I've pretty much supported every one of them up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq. I simply thought it was going to create more problems than it would solve--which puts my opinion in line with just about every non-neocon that was involved in the Gulf War itself. I also thought it was a tragic distraction from the unfinished business of Afghanistan and the resurgence of the Taliban and AQ there and in the lawlass frontier of Pakistan. My biggest fear is a strong Taliban/AQ offensive in the Afghanistan this spring just after we've committed all the available troops in and around Baghdad.Obviously most of you would not support your country.
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