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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    If you are the Spurs, do you trade Bonner and Barry for Maggette with no Bonner replacement on the horizon?
    YES.

    I love Bonner but Maggette to this team is much more important than Bonner.

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    If Maggette comes, then the three man rotation would be Manu, Bowen and Maggette. My dream scenario is putting Maggette in the starting lineup and bringing Manu off the bench. That'd give the Spurs the biggest bench weapon in the league and would speed Maggette's growth. Not to mention the added rebounding to the starting lineup.
    Ok, but who's going to eat up the minutes Horry and Bonner won't be getting if we lose Bonner? Don't you think Maggette will play the 4 in smallball?

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    Brent
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    Williams
    Udrih

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    Maggette
    Mobley
    Horry has this year and next year guaranteed. The Clippers wouldn't take that on.



    P.S.

    Horry makes as much money as Reggie Evans

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    Ricky Sanchez would be a pretty nice investment for a team to pick up and stash on their IR for a couple years. Denver gave up their rights to him, right?
    Yeah, anyone can call him up. All he can do now is shoot, but if he can bulk up enough to stand some contact, he could be really nice to have.

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    Horry has this year and next year guaranteed. The Clippers wouldn't take that on.



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    Horry makes as much money as Reggie Evans
    Horry still gets his free pass from 03 and 05

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    How about this trade?

    San Antonio Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Brent Barry
    Eric Williams
    Matt Bonner

    Incoming
    Ron Artest


    Sacramento Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Brad Miller
    Ron Artest

    Incoming
    Eric Williams
    Cuttino Mobley
    Corey Maggette


    L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown
    Outgoing
    Cuttino Mobley
    Corey Maggette

    Incoming
    Brent Barry
    Matt Bonner
    Brad Miller


    Successful Scenario
    Due to San Antonio, Sacramento, and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. San Antonio, Sacramento, and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
    For a RealGM trade, that was pretty well done. Won't happen though because Sacramento isn't interested in Maggette for Artest.

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    after reading this article...i think spurstalk is read by the front office. it's almost like they checked in to see what our thoughts were and intimated this to ludden.

    i'm happy with what i read...spurs finally realize that the sky is falling. i'm with Timvp...the FO should not have hesitated on the beno/barry trade for c. magg b/c if they wanted 2 "capable" ball players for the playoffs...beno/barry's performance in the dallas game pretty much dispelled that notion. now we risk losing our high energy bonner...it's like a comedy of errors. the one bench player, playing worth a damn may end up leaving. holt should fire the entire FO...it has to be full of ing yes men or former tennis players trying to run a b-ball team.
    No, you will just see that there are people here who follow the league incredibly closely and know basketball very well. Timvp, Solid D, and others always have very good insight. LJ makes uncanny reads and is right on 90% of the time.

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    You will soon discover what the rest of the world already knows...


    Matt Bonner is a stiff.

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    For a RealGM trade, that was pretty well done. Won't happen though because Sacramento isn't interested in Maggette for Artest.
    But thats Mobley and Magette for Artest.

    Either way I don't want Artest here.

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    For a RealGM trade, that was pretty well done. Won't happen though because Sacramento isn't interested in Maggette for Artest.
    Plus the Spurs would be still stuck with Beno

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    YES.

    I love Bonner but Maggette to this team is much more important than Bonner.
    Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Bonner is a good 8th man but Maggette would be a good starter. Have to do it.

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    I wonder if Pop is considering starting Bonner at least until Elson gets back. I doubt that I guess, because he'd probably start Oberto. I think giving Bonner more minutes is a damn good thing, and I think shortening the rotation in general and playing our starters more is also a good thing and I think a trade MAY be a great thing depending on who they get.

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    If you are the Spurs, do you trade Bonner and Barry for Maggette with no Bonner replacement on the horizon?
    Yes, in the NBA, the team that gets the best player in a deal is the winner -- especially a potential long term asset like Maggette. You can always find Bonners (heck, he was basically just a throw in a trade to dump salary by the Spurs).

    Maggette is exactlty the type of player the Mavs have been quietly ac ulating the last 2-3 years. He could be the Mav antidote.

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    No, you will just see that there are people here who follow the league incredibly closely and know basketball very well.
    I'm going out on a limb here but isn't the FO supposed to "follow the league incredibly closely and know basketball very well"?

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    One thing I would change on that list is give E-Will more time.

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    Yeah I was hoping Sac would go for it with all the cap space I was giving them still I don't know what LA would do with Brad Miller backing up Elton Brand.

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    Ok, but who's going to eat up the minutes Horry and Bonner won't be getting if we lose Bonner? Don't you think Maggette will play the 4 in smallball?
    Yeah, Maggette would be the 4 in small ball and would be the best fit for the position since the Spurs let go of Devin. You play him down low and he can rebound pretty well for you.

    As far as who would get those minutes, perhaps the Spurs would play Elson and Oberto more. Or go with Horry in spurts.

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    elliottfan - This picture in your sig isn't working right - http://www.ag-east.org/images/malcolm2.jpg.

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    One thing I would change on that list is give E-Will more time.
    True, we may have our Bonner replacement already on the roster, at least for shooting. If we have no confidence in him, we could try to rent Kukoc for one more go round or something like that.

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    Timvp, maybe you should work for the Spurs FO.

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    True, at this point there is no reason not to give Williams more time.

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    The best offer they received from what I can tell is Barry and Beno from the spurs

    The Jazz want him but I don't know what they are offering.
    The Nets turned down a Maggette + Mobley for Carter trade
    The Heat want to trade Posey for him
    The Kings turned down the Artest deal.
    This is the most vital thing. We're competing with other teams for Maggette.

    The Jazz, I've heard, could be offering Giricek/Brewer (did you know GG is getting over $4M/yr?)

    The Nets seem to be out of it.
    The Heat's deal is not particularly attractive. They bit themselves in the ass by deactivating Posey, if they're shopping him.
    The Kings were never truly offering Artest.

    Toronto may be in the mix for MoPete.

    If we were happy to get Maggs with Barry+Udrih, we should be just as happy to do Barry+Bonner. But since this article is mentioning lots of time for Bonner in place of Horry, he may not be on the table at all.

    Even dismal against Dallas, Barry and Udrih both fill roles for LAC. Barry because he's the shooter and ball-handler they could really use. Udrih could replace Daniel Ewing, who is not a true PG.

    The Clips are also suffering chemistry-wise. Subtracting Maggette is a plus, first of all, and Barry has shown to be a consumate locker-room, glue guy. Udrih still has potential and may just need the proper situation to thrive.

    Of all the situations on the table, with the possible exception of the Raptors, the Spurs' is still the best I see.

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    elliottfan - This picture in your sig isn't working right - http://www.ag-east.org/images/malcolm2.jpg.
    Thanks. I'll go find another picture.

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    Timvp, maybe you should work for the Spurs FO.
    No thanks. Then I wouldn't be able to post.

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    True, we may have our Bonner replacement already on the roster, at least for shooting. If we have no confidence in him, we could try to rent Kukoc for one more go round or something like that.
    yeah, e-will has performed capably when given the chance. he's a bit of a relic and i'd like to keep the younger bonner, but we cannot pass up c. magg. this is one deal that has to be done.

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