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    Secondly, the Suns got really fat off the east. Eventually you'll have to play some good teams in the West (not Portland and Seattle every game, either). And when you do, you'll continue on that 0-5 record you've got against the best in the West. Look at that record vs the East and vs the West. It sucks that you only get to play those EC teams twice each.]

    The Mavs also will get fat on beating up on the Eastern Conference. You can't make assumptions based on the regular season. The Heat proved it last year. They could not beat one of the elite teams to save thier lives. If we followed the logic of some Mavs fans then the Mavs should have won the Finals since they swept the Heat last year in the regular season. Lastly all the expections are on the Mavs to win it all ths year. The Spurs and the Suns are not even the favorites to win the West this year. It wil be interesting to see how the Mavs handle those expectations because anything short of a trip to the Finals will be a failed season.
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    They don't force turnovers or block shots, either.
    Suns force 15 turnovers per game, while the Mavs only force 14.

    Suns block 5.03 shots per game while the Mavs block 5.33 per game.

    The rest of your post is just fluff - the meat of how knowledgeable you are is right there.

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    Stats are bull and don't tell the whole story.

    Wins/losses is how a team is measured.

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    All this STUPID statistical analysis is worthless.

    All that matters is if the Suns could beat San Antonio or Dallas in a series.

    If they have HCA, I say definately yes. If not, its going to be a lot harder.

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    the Suns.

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    All this STUPID statistical analysis is worthless.

    All that matters is if the Suns could beat San Antonio or Dallas in a series.

    If they have HCA, I say definately yes. If not, its going to be a lot harder.

    You're pretty much right. I like to check out stats too as a soft predictor but they don't always tell the whole story, they're only valuable to a certain point. Bigtime, established Vegas bookies hire crazy statisticians to figure out odds and look how wrong they were about last year's finals. Nobody can predict stuff like momentum, choking, injuries, officiating, clutch shots, etc.

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    Stats are bull and don't tell the whole story.

    Wins/losses is how a team is measured.
    Yeah, stats are bull and it's all about wins and losses. Too bad somebody can't figure out a way to explain why some teams have more wins than others. Then we'd have something to talk about.

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    Stats are bull and don't tell the whole story.

    Wins/losses is how a team is measured.
    In that case the suns are the second best team and barely behind Dallas.

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    In that case the suns are the second best team and barely behind Dallas.
    Exactly.

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    Yeah, stats are bull and it's all about wins and losses. Too bad somebody can't figure out a way to explain why some teams have more wins than others. Then we'd have something to talk about.
    I can. One team outscores their opponent and wins. If they don't, they lose.

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    I wonder if TNT comes and reads our posts and then puts them on the air... Doug Collins and Kevin Harlan basically said the exact same things we've been saying on here the past few days... with the exact same stats. They compared the Suns numbers to the Spurs and Mavs in terms of OPP FG% etc. and then also said that the number of points they give up doesn't matter. They also said the Suns need to up the rebounding intensity if they want to go all the way.

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    I'll just use this thread to say........the Suns are raping the so called best team in the east.

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    The Suns are making the Cavs look like the Bobcats right now... Statistically, the Suns were destroying the Cavs in every possible category (even total rebounds). Phoenix played one of the best 2nd quarters I've ever seen by a basketball team. They looked like a single en y out there, making all their shots, and causing the Cavs a lot of problems on both ends.

    Suns are playing their best offensive and defensive game of the season so far tonight.

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    Nash = 2 points and 19 assists. Nashty.

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    Nash has 20 assists in the middle of the 3rd quarter.

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    Games like this definitely put worry in me that the mavs are not the best team. The spurs have yet to show this but the suns have.

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    I wonder if TNT comes and reads our posts and then puts them on the air... Doug Collins and Kevin Harlan basically said the exact same things we've been saying on here the past few days... with the exact same stats. They compared the Suns numbers to the Spurs and Mavs in terms of OPP FG% etc. and then also said that the number of points they give up doesn't matter. They also said the Suns need to up the rebounding intensity if they want to go all the way.

    Yeah i heard all that, blah blah blah. What would have been more interesting is if motormouth Doug Collins had put his very thorough analytical skills to better use and discussed why the Suns seem to be 0-5 against the Jazz, Spurs and Mavericks. I didn't hear Harlan say much about the subject, just Doug as usual. Barkley put it all into a little better perspective, nice to see that he doesn't completely homer on *his* team.

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    Games like this definitely put worry in me that the mavs are not the best team. The spurs have yet to show this but the suns have.

    Uh, why? Did you even watch the game? The Cavs played basically no D, decided to take stupid jumpers they couldn't make after the first quarter and committed a gazillion turnovers that the speedy Suns converted. The Cavs can't run with the Suns, the Mavericks can do that and more...they can change it up a bit and tweak their game in-game, no need to worry. We'll talk when the Suns beat the Spurs or Mavs...or even the Jazz.

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    mavs ain't winnin , chokers aren't capable.

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    mavs ain't winnin , chokers aren't capable.
    3 words for you. Horry for 3! Haha love that . Your team is up there with the biggest choke jobs.

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    3 words for you. Horry for 3! Haha love that . Your team is up there with the biggest choke jobs.

    and how many more rings you es got?

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    and how many more rings you es got?
    poor Kings fans, all downhill since, HORRY FOR 3!!! too bad you've been reduced to dissing other teams since there's nothing to talk about when it comes to your ragtag band of losers

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    mavs ain't winnin , chokers aren't capable.

    I'm so sorry, poort queens fan. i know your vagina ached good and long when Horry hit that shot. i was a wee las myself, but was able to see your team get nastied on. perhaps if it was me in this black and purple jersey, i would've blocked it........or even secured the rebound like real men do.


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    The Suns are making the Cavs look like the Bobcats right now... Statistically, the Suns were destroying the Cavs in every possible category (even total rebounds). Phoenix played one of the best 2nd quarters I've ever seen by a basketball team. They looked like a single en y out there, making all their shots, and causing the Cavs a lot of problems on both ends.

    Suns are playing their best offensive and defensive game of the season so far tonight.
    The Suns are easily the toughest team for the teams (eastern conference) that only play them 2 times per year to play against. Until you learn how to slow down that offense (like Dallas & San Antonio has) they are a nightmare to play against. I only watched the 1st half as I got bored watching the Cavs running around on D with their heads up their collective asses.

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    Yeah i heard all that, blah blah blah. What would have been more interesting is if motormouth Doug Collins had put his very thorough analytical skills to better use and discussed why the Suns seem to be 0-5 against the Jazz, Spurs and Mavericks. I didn't hear Harlan say much about the subject, just Doug as usual. Barkley put it all into a little better perspective, nice to see that he doesn't completely homer on *his* team.

    Since you seem to be stuck on that here it is. The Heat were

    0-2 vs Suns
    0-2 vs Mavs
    0-2 vs Spurs
    0-2 vs Nuggets
    1-3 vs Pistons
    1-3 vs Nets

    This was in the 05-06 season. Remind me again who won the le last year.
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