Lmao @ Tnt

[mabber]

so a Barbosa, Bell, Diaw, Marion, Stoudemire lineup would suck?

They wouldn't suck but they wouldn't be nearly as good as a Howard, Terry, Harris, Damp and whoever replaces Dirk (George maybe) Mav lineup. The reason being is that most of the Mav players are very proficient at creating their own shots. Their entire offense is built around them being able to do that (hence the low assist totals). The Phoenix offense is built around a passing game that Nash leads and is extremely good at.

[JPB]

They wouldn't suck but they wouldn't be nearly as good as a Howard, Terry, Harris, Damp and whoever replaces Dirk (George maybe) Mav lineup. The reason being is that most of the Mav players are very proficient at creating their own shots. Their entire offense is built around them being able to do that (hence the low assist totals). The Phoenix offense is built around a passing game that Nash leads and is extremely good at.

I don't agree. Diaw as point forward could take care of the playmaking as he's already doing, in a more half-court game. without Dirk, his points, his rebounding, his clutch plays and first and foremost his almost unguardable side, Dallas wouldn't be much better than the suns.

Nash got it last year cos he deserved it but also cos there wasn't any real contestant. This year, Dirk is very impressive

And don't forget Steve has still no D. That's why I'm waiting the playoffs to really judge the Suns. They won't win 130-115 or 125-110 in those games.

[Bob Lanier]

And don't forget Steve has still no D.

What point guard does?

[JPB]

What point guard does?

Not all PG are grat defenders but Steve has absolutly no D.

Tony has a decent one, Billups a good one... Spurs and Pistons are supposed to have 2 of the best defenses, coincidence ? If the Suns/Nash struggles during the playoffs with their offense in a game, against thougher defenses, they/he couldn't survive it.

[Leetonidas]

What point guard does?

Billups, Parker, Watson...

[ponky]

What point guard does?

not saying he kills on D but harris is developing his D and is decent

[Bob Lanier]

Billups plays absolutely no defense about 98% of the time, and isn't much more than average even when he tries. None. Parker isn't that much better than Nash. Watson, Harris, Hinrich, and Kidd are better than nothing... but it's almost impossible for any point guard to effectively prevent dribble penetration with the modern rules.

[BeerIsGood!]

Billups plays absolutely no defense about 98% of the time, and isn't much more than average even when he tries. None. Parker isn't that much better than Nash. Watson, Harris, Hinrich, and Kidd are better than nothing... but it's almost impossible for any point guard to effectively prevent dribble penetration with the modern rules.

You're right from a one-on-one street baller standpoint, but the PG is instrumental in team defensive execution. Parker works well within the Spurs team defensive system while Nash is left on an island due to the Suns not having anything resembling team defense.

[mabber]

Not all PG are grat defenders but Steve has absolutly no D.

Tony has a decent one, Billups a good one... Spurs and Pistons are supposed to have 2 of the best defenses, coincidence ? If the Suns/Nash struggles during the playoffs with their offense in a game, against thougher defenses, they/he couldn't survive it.

Last night...the TNT guys were saying that D'antoni was saying that Nash's D is extremely under-rated. I laughed out loud when I heard that and woke up my wife

[JPB]

You're right from a one-on-one street baller standpoint, but the PG is instrumental in team defensive execution. Parker works well within the Spurs team defensive system while Nash is left on an island due to the Suns not having anything resembling team defense.

yep.
It's not just about stopping your guy but also about positioning and switching.

[Bob Lanier]

Nash is left on an island due to the Suns not having anything resembling team defense.

I don't buy that.

[lefty]

Last night...the TNT guys were saying that D'antoni was saying that Nash's D is extremely under-rated. I laughed out loud when I heard that and woke up my wife

[JPB]

Last night...the TNT guys were saying that D'antoni was saying that Nash's D is extremely under-rated. I laughed out loud when I heard that and woke up my wife

The divorce is for when ?

[mabber]

The divorce is for when ?

She laughed at the comment as well when I told her why I was laughing. Even she knows (from watching Nash play for 6 years in Dallas) that Nash can't play D

[RonMexico]

You're right from a one-on-one street baller standpoint, but the PG is instrumental in team defensive execution. Parker works well within the Spurs team defensive system while Nash is left on an island due to the Suns not having anything resembling team defense.

All the Suns have is team defense. Watch a game, once please, without the Black and Silver colored glasses.

[angryllama]

I don't think Dirk should be MVP actually. While he is extremely good, take him away from the Mavs and they can still win, but without Nash, the Suns would suck ass.

Yeah, that's great logic. Nash has three other all-stars in the starting lineup. Anyone ever put two and two together and realize that they might make him a little bit better?

[mabber]

All the Suns have is team defense. Watch a game, once please, without the Black and Silver colored glasses.

I watched last night's game vs. the Griz and decided that it couldn't possibly be a good game to judge their new & improved defense on so I'll wait for another game. That game was just silly but it was the Griz and I realize that it's tough to care about playing defense against a lame team like that.

I was impressed with Amare though.

[itzsoweezee]

if the wizards end w/ the best record in the east, then it should be arenas

[cheguevara]

if the wizards end w/ the best record in the east, then it should be arenas

Best record in the east = few games over 500!!!!!

[mabber]

Yeah, that's great logic. Nash has three other all-stars in the starting lineup. Anyone ever put two and two together and realize that they might make him a little bit better?

Marion, Amare and who's the 3rd?

[1Parker1]

Last night...the TNT guys were saying that D'antoni was saying that Nash's D is extremely under-rated. I laughed out loud when I heard that and woke up my wife

I heard that. It was right after Nash took a "charge" and a couple minutes after he had about the 3rd block of his career. What a joke.

If Steve Nash wins it again this year, I will seriously laugh. Yes his numbers are up from last year, yes his team is winning just like last year, however, how valuable can a guy be to his team if he can't even take his team to the NBA Finals, let alone a championship? To win it three times in a row is a huge deal. Duncan a 2 time championship never did it. MJ a 6 time champion never did it, etc.

What I don't understand and someone please explain it to me: What exactly is Steve Nash doing differently in Pheonix these past 3 years than what he did in Dallas all those years???? He's running and gunning his team, passing out crazy assists, and scoring a decent fg%. Why was he never in consideration when he played with the Mavs? They used to go as far as the Suns into the playoffs. Never to the finals and never to the championship.

Anyways, based on this season, I'd give the edge to Dirk. I'd give Nash more consideration if he hadn't won it for the past 2 straight years....

[ploto]

For everyone bashing the Suns defense, it really isn't much worse than the Spurs right now. In terms of opponents FG%- Spurs at 44.8% and Suns at 45.2%. For 3 point FG % the Suns actually hold opponents to a lower % than the Spurs: Suns are at 32.4% best in the NBA. And Phoenix is ahead of the Spurs in point differential this season, as well, a stat Spurs fans have long flaunted.

[spurschick]

And Phoenix is ahead of the Spurs in point differential this season, as well, a stat Spurs fans have long flaunted.

You hate the Spurs. We get it.

[mabber]

I heard that. It was right after Nash took a "charge" and a couple minutes after he had about the 3rd block of his career. What a joke.

If Steve Nash wins it again this year, I will seriously laugh. Yes his numbers are up from last year, yes his team is winning just like last year, however, how valuable can a guy be to his team if he can't even take his team to the NBA Finals, let alone a championship? To win it three times in a row is a huge deal. Duncan a 2 time championship never did it. MJ a 6 time champion never did it, etc.

What I don't understand and someone please explain it to me: What exactly is Steve Nash doing differently in Pheonix these past 3 years than what he did in Dallas all those years???? He's running and gunning his team, passing out crazy assists, and scoring a decent fg%. Why was he never in consideration when he played with the Mavs? They used to go as far as the Suns into the playoffs. Never to the finals and never to the championship.

Anyways, based on this season, I'd give the edge to Dirk. I'd give Nash more consideration if he hadn't won it for the past 2 straight years....

Suns system is a more passing system than was Nellie's plus I think Nash has been playing better. He has more athletic players (Marion & Amare) than he had in Dallas to pass to as well. I know he's been in better shape with the Suns cuz he made a point to get himself in the best shape of his life prior to his first season in Phoenix. Regardless of what he's said about that whole situation, he was pissed off about the Mavs not offering him a huge contract and has had a chip on his shoulder about it ever since.

Also, it's tough to win a MVP when you have someone (Dirk) on your team who is also a great player.

[ploto]

You hate the Spurs. We get it.

No- it's just a fact. Guess some Spurs fans just can't handle the truth. People make claims that have no statistical backing. Mine do. Before people start ragging on the Suns defense, they might want to learn something about them and watch some of their games. The Suns ARE holding opponents to a lower 3 pt FG% than the Spurs and their point differential IS better than the Spurs this season. Anyone who is simply writing off Phoenix and saying they have no defense hasn't been watching them play lately. Amare actually plays defense now- blocks shots and fights for rebounds. They picked up players like Raja Bell and Boris Diaw. They aren't the Suns of 2 seasons ago that the Spurs beat in the play-offs. Last year people made the same mistake with Dallas- not understanding that they weren't the same team of a couple of years before. Well, the Suns aren't either. That's not hatred of the Spurs- it's appreciation of a team that is playing well, and I like good basketball. Sorry, if right now there are teams simply playing better basketball than the Spurs. Anyone with any basketball knowledge will admit that. If the Spurs ever go back to defending like they used to, then Spurs fans can gloat about defense again, but they lost that right.