^ never disappoints
So Obama is muslim?
Obama is probably the only Democrat candidate I would vote for in the upcoming election, but I want to research what he's for more. I don't really agree with his beliefs, but having a Muslim president might actually be good for us, maybe ease the tensions a little between us and Middle East countries.
I think that just because Osama is a smoker, will loose him a lot of votes, just the same way it would if a 300 lb man named BUDDA ran.
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56873
How has smoking hurt candidates support in the past?
It hasn't to my knowledge, but the times, they are a changing.
Uhhhh...thats a terrible example. That building was preserved to ensure no one forgets what a horrible atrocity slavery was/is. Its apart of the African American history, arts and crafts.
Would you prefer they demolished every thing associated with slavery, then tried to explain how it all went down?
Nothing is as effective as a visual aid. Take people inside, show them theliving conditions, the inhumanity and humiliation of another human being being auctioned.
Nothing would drive it home, really home, like actually walking in footsteps.
Thats a site dedicated to the history of Charleston and its economically-intertwined relationship with slavery.
Again, do you think these sort of things should be forgotten? Because I dont. Every country stands on its history, no matter the good or the bad. Every country has a similar history, I would hope they dont forget that fact as well. Fail, educate, teach, remember, do not repeat. Is that not life?
answer me this question..... what kind of people do you see going to this museum? do you really think black people want to take their kids there and show them what happened to their great great ancestors? are you aware that we are not that far removed from slavery yet? how do you think a child old enough to comprehend what happened is going to feel?
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Why does Bill Cosby have a collection of racist memorabilia?answer me this question..... what kind of people do you see going to this museum?I believe many would.do you really think black people want to take their kids there and show them what happened to their great great ancestors?Yes, and historical sites like those remind us all.are you aware that we are not that far removed from slavery yet?That some serious went on back then. Really, are you against the existence of all the Holocaust monuments in Europe too? The Auschwitz concentration camp was restored and made into a state museum along with Birkenau. A quarter million people visit that site every year, including no small number of Jews. Memorialization is not necessarily celebration.how do you think a child old enough to comprehend what happened is going to feel?
Like Jews to the holocaust museum.
i bet the jews feel wonderful about that one....... "look son, heres where grandpa was cooked medium rare"
including no small number of jews? yah id like to see proof of that one....
and for your information, of course i think they shouldn't still be up..... s on stain on mankind and by turning them into museums you are acknowledging guys like Hitlers "accomplishments"... if you can even call them that..... oh wait then again we are the same country that honored him as man of the year.........
So, youre saying we should strike physical evidence about human tragedy from our lands in the hope that the written word is enough to prevent history repeating itself?!
Thats just stupid man. Very stupid.
I didnt even read your whole post before responding. If I had, I wouldnt have after reading your rubbish. Dude, youre assuming, with no basis in fact. Because if YOU were Jewish, you wouldnt go, than obviously real Jews wouldnt go, because if you were, you wouldnt.
Thats some stupid right there. Grats
aslong as stupid s are given power in the world history is gonna repeat itself regardless and mankind has proven that over and over again...... ever heard of a history book? is well do ented and taught in schools...... you don't need visual evidence of it especially when that visual evidence is gonna bring even more hatred.....
It's not about feeling wonderful.i bet the jews feel wonderful about that oneand for your information, of course i think they shouldn't still be up..... s on stain on mankind and by turning them into museums you are acknowledging guys like Hitlers "accomplishments"So tear down all the Holocuast musems all over the world? In the US? The ones founded by Jews?
Here's some examples: http://www.remembranceandhope.com/including no small number of jews? yah id like to see proof of that one....
http://www.motl.org/
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Fillmoe, you don't belong in the deep end of the pool.
incorrect..... apparently i see things different than others...... not a single thing i posted was false information.......
and congratulations on your reply having nothing to do with anything at all..... you really contributed to this thread.....
March of Living marks Holocaust
March of the Living Organisers said this year's march was the biggest yet
More than 18,000 people have taken part in the annual March of the Living between the notorious Auschwitz and Birkenau death camps in Poland.
It comes 60 years after the camps were liberated by Soviet troops.
More than one million people, most of them European Jews, were murdered by Nazi Germany in the two camps.
Israeli PM Ariel Sharon, addressing the marchers, called for people to remember that the world stood by while six million Jews died in the Holocaust.
Speaking at a memorial gathering at Birkenau after the march, he said: "Remember the victims and remember the murderers.
"Remember how millions of Jews were led to their deaths and the world remained silent."
Organisers said this year's march was the biggest yet.
The 3km (2-mile) event, marking Holocaust Remembrance Day, began in 1988.
It symbolises the death marches that took place when the Germans began emptying the camps and forcing prisoners to walk hundreds of kilometres in freezing weather with little food. Thousands died on the marches.
Mr Sharon was accompanied to southern Poland by 20 Holocaust survivors and 20 of their grandchildren, who are serving in the Israeli army.
"With me are Holocaust survivors. Men and women who survived persecution, torture, mental and physical degradation; true heroes who experience the death marches, the deportations and searches, who survived ghettos, Auschwitz, Buchenwald... concentration and death camps whose monstrous names are carved in blood in the history of our people," he said.
The prime ministers of Poland and Hungary also took part in the event. Some 450,000 Hungarian Jews were killed at Auschwitz.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4515537.stm
Any more questions?
nope, you brought forward facts and proved me wrong. what more could i ask for?
Your opinions from what I have read largely are based upon ignorance. Certainly that is the case on this subject.incorrect..... apparently i see things different than others...... not a single thing i posted was false information.......
and congratulations on your reply having nothing to do with anything at all..... you really contributed to this thread.....
The reason history repeats itself is because people are ignorant of what has happened in the past and have made the same mistakes.
Visual evidence makes history concrete. When it is just in a book it is easy to make abstract and to trivialize. Holocaust deniers would love for the Holocaust museums to be shut down. They don't want the history of the Holocaust to be shared. And why do you think that is? Because usually people who deny the Holocaust hate Jews, and when other people see first-hand what the endgame of that kind of hate can be, they tend not to hate so much.
It is easy to hate people in the abstract, as an idea. It is difficult to hate individuals on the basis of race, or religion, or things like that. It is hard to hate when the evidence of what that hate entails is shoved in people's faces.
The same dynamic works for slavery. There are lots of Southern partisans out there who would love to romanticize the Old South. They would love to make it seem as if blacks are just exaggerating about how bad slavery and segregation were. And if the only place where those things are talked about is in a book, then it's easy to say that the book is just slanted. And like I said before, when it is just words written on a page, and the only notion people can have of history is in the abstract, then it is very easy to rationalize that it really wasn't that bad.
But when you can point to a building and say, this is where black slaves were bought and sold like cattle, then the atrocity becomes concrete, and the dissonance between what people believe is decent, and the evidence of what the behavior of people was in the past, is clarified.
There are lots of Southern partisans out there who love to claim that any of a million other things were the reason the Confederacy seceded. They would love to claim that slavery was just a side issue that was fading away anyway. But the visual evidence of just how wrapped up in the ins ution of slavery the economy, infrastructure, and everyday life of the South was, shatters that argument.
If the reaction of Alabama police to the Selma marches were just printed in prose form in the New York Times, rather that broadcast on television, do you think the Civil Rights movement would have gained the moral high ground that it did?
This is why, as has been mentioned before, that Jews frequently are heavily involved in these Holocaust museums, and why black people involved in Civil Rights activism get so involved in the memorialization of the atrocities and abuses of the past. They want people to know.
Because if we allow these things to be whitewashed, we raise the chances that they will be repeated.
Fillmoe, you normally crack me up, but I think you are having your ass collectively handed to you in this one.
(Fillmoe drowning)
before his became known. and by the way Many, Many so called
great Americans and other " World Leaders" were praising Hitler right up till Dec 7, 1940. In the future please give us a break and stay in the Troll Forum.
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