Is there any way Dallas don't win it all this year?

[ponky]

i hate winning on account of injuries. it just makes the naysayers put that asterisk by it when they lose.

yes, this is why i have an asterisk by the spurs 99 championship...i mean a ring is a ring and you guys got it that year, but as a knicks fan with a team that was an eighth seed getting all the way to the finals, i was so ticked off that both patrick ewing and larry johnson were injured and couldn't play in the finals after getting all the way there. not saying the outcome would've been different cause who knows but at least it would've made the series more compe ive.

[Dirk41MVP]

I'm sorry, but comparisons to Nellie-era Mavs are just silly. Do you really think the Nellie-era Mavs are anywhere near as good as D'Antoni-era Suns? Until I see some stats to back it up, I can't take that claim seriously.

Ditto, I edited my post above. Here's the link.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showpost...0&postcount=46

And no, I think with the players and athletes that your team has, back then coached by nellie (the real small-ball know-it-all). That team would have been a lot better than yours is right now.

Look at the roster and you'll find names like Raef LaFrentz, Shawn Bradley, Eduardo Najera, Walt Williams (who?), adrian griffin, Tariq Abdul-Wahad, Antoine Rigaudeau, Evan Eschmeyer, Mark Strickland and Popeye Jones... that's 67% of your roster filled with a bunch of nobodys that averaged 4.2 points a piece on average.

I rest my case...

[mavsfan1000]

yes, this is why i have an asterisk by the spurs 99 championship...i mean a ring is a ring and you guys got it that year, but as a knicks fan with a team that was an eighth seed getting all the way to the finals, i was so ticked off that both patrick ewing and larry johnson were injured and couldn't play in the finals after getting all the way there. not saying the outcome would've been different cause who knows but at least it would've made the series more compe ive.

New York would've lost either way. San Antonio dominated everyone that year.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

New York would've lost either way. San Antonio dominated everyone that year.

Phil Jackson doesn't see it that way.

[ponky]

New York would've lost either way. San Antonio dominated everyone that year.

that wasn't my point, i stated that the outcome may not have been different but even without the ewing/johnson the knicks managed to win a game so it would've been nice to see if the knicks could've taken the spurs to 6-7 games. nobody expected the knicks to get that far and they did, stranger things have happened (mavs choking last year to some sorry es)

[BUMP]

realistically speaking the Spurs have a shot, the Rockets have a tiny shot, the Pistons have a shot, they are 1-0 vs us, and they got Webber

Golden State has a shot.

[ponky]

realistically speaking the Spurs have a shot, the Rockets have a tiny shot, the Pistons have a shot, they are 1-0 vs us, and they got Webber

Golden State has a shot.

yup, i think all these teams have a shot barring any injuries...uh, except for golden state

[Xylus]

You want to compare point differentials and all that cute stuff ?, let's do it..

Mavs '02 vs. Suns '06

Point Differential: 7.8 vs. 8.51
Defensive FG: . 438 vs. .450
Defensive 3pt. %: .340 vs. .324
Rebounding differential: -3.4 vs. -2.6
Defensive RPG: 31.0 vs. 32.5
Offensive RPG: 11.1 vs. 8.5
Steals per game: 6.7 vs. 6.8
Blocks per game: 3.9 vs. 4.9 --> AND we played Bradley and LaFrentz at Center, not Amare Stoudemire...

As you can see, all your cute stats don't mean anything. In fact they are rather useless. If the mavericks played defense so great that season, show me the rings, where are they ?. Don't be fooled by small ball, it's fun and deceiving (yeah we also thought we were champs back in '02 like you do now) but it gets you nowhere in the playoffs.

Not to mention that dallas can play small ball like Phoenix can and still keep up. We don't lack scorers as I've said before, and while your offense might be slightly better than Dallas's, our defense is A WHOOOLE lot better than yours is.

Did I just hear PWNED....??

You are an arrogant son of a , aren't you?

I'll give you credit, though, those are some good stats.

I think the Suns claim to fame isn't really small ball, but their efficiency on offense. Those stats make both teams appear pretty similar until you look at PPG game...the '07 Suns average 111.4 points a game compared to the '03 Mavs' 103.0 points a game. That's quite a bit of a difference, don't you think? The Suns also have a +8 in assist differential, which means this current Suns team has a more fluent passing game and better chemistry than that Mavs team did. On top of that, the Suns shoot almost 50% FG, while those Mavs shot only 45.3%.

The biggest difference between the two teams, you've already mentioned a couple of times...Amare Stoudemire. If the manchild can stay healthy and dominant throughout the postseason, Phoenix is taking a series with Dallas to 7, at worst.

[ponky]

You are an arrogant son of a , aren't you?

I'll give you credit, though, those are some good stats.

I think the Suns claim to fame isn't really small ball, but their efficiency on offense. Those stats make both teams appear pretty similar until you look at PPG game...the '07 Suns average 111.4 points a game compared to the '03 Mavs' 103.0 points a game. That's quite a bit of a difference, don't you think? The Suns also have a +8 in assist differential, which means this current Suns team has a more fluent passing game and better chemistry than that Mavs team did. On top of that, the Suns shoot almost 50% FG, while those Mavs shot only 45.3%.

The biggest difference between the two teams, you've already mentioned a couple of times...Amare Stoudemire. If the manchild can stay healthy and dominant throughout the postseason, Phoenix is taking a series with Dallas to 7, at best.

Oops, you made a mistake, I fixed it for you. Besides, what makes you think Dallas will even see the Suns in the playoffs? If things stay 1 and 2 with the seedings, either team could get wiped out by the Rockets or Lakers...and even then, there are the Spurs to do deal with if we get by those first two teams. I don't count the Jazz cuz they're fakers and I see the Wolves and/or Nuggets surpassing them in their division...and even if they stay first in their division, they are first round and out.

[Dirk41MVP]

You are an arrogant son of a , aren't you?

I'll give you credit, though, those are some good stats.

I think the Suns claim to fame isn't really small ball, but their efficiency on offense. Those stats make both teams appear pretty similar until you look at PPG game...the '07 Suns average 111.4 points a game compared to the '03 Mavs' 103.0 points a game. That's quite a bit of a difference, don't you think? The Suns also have a +8 in assist differential, which means this current Suns team has a more fluent passing game and better chemistry than that Mavs team did. On top of that, the Suns shoot almost 50% FG, while those Mavs shot only 45.3%.

The biggest difference between the two teams, you've already mentioned a couple of times...Amare Stoudemire. If the manchild can stay healthy and dominant throughout the postseason, Phoenix is taking a series with Dallas to 7, at worst.

Actually I'm not ignorant, but I can see you're pretty stupid yourself.

1) When did this argument turn to offense ?. I thought you defended the argument that Phoenix could play defense, which they can't, yet your post is all about offense and nothing to do with defense ( I guess I'm ignorant one though).

2) While Phoenix does score more points than that Maverick team, they also give up 7.7 more points than the mavericks did. I even mentioned that Phoenix has a better offense than the mavs did and do, that doesn't mean anything when you're giving up over 102 points a game. You can average 120 points a game and give up 125 and your team still sucks. Look at the POINT DIFFERENTIAL, that's where the real truth lies. SO again your argument is rather useless AGAIN. (Besides I thought this argument was about defense, I'm still confused and I guess I'm still ignorant).

3) The assist thing again, is offense-related. I thought your point was about defense not offense. And don't me misled by that number either.

Ex: Steve nash drives into the lane, he kicks the ball out to Evan Eschmeyer for a missed three pointer... same play in phoenix with Raja bell/barbosa as a recipient and it's a made 3 pointer. Compare the talents on the two rosters and make an argument (that makes sense) against this...

4) You measure team chemistry by how many points/assist they score/get ?, wow now THAT is VERY stupid. That's not even worth discussing

5) yeah PHX shoots a higher % than the mavericks did, but they also give a higher FG% (as stated by my FACTS, something you have none that make sense)

Conclusion: A) I'm not arrogant, just confident in what I say because everything I say makes sense ad I use facts to prove what I say (unless of course I just taunt the outta spur fans, but that's not the case here) you're just a little insecure about yourself, that's ok. If you want to make a reasonable and intelligent conversation, try to get some basic facts straight.

B) Your team still doesn't play defense

C) ALL your arguments were offense-related and were used to defend a defense argument, I don't get all your yapping and all your whinnying. I NEVER said your team wasn't good offensively, they are but they suck defensively (the whole point of the original argument)

D) I guess not just the PHX team thinks only about offense and not defense but the fans do that too... lmao.

E) bring me some magic defensive numbers to back up your argument... unless of course there aren't any (because your team still doesn't play defense and rebound).

F) I pwned your ass.. AGAIN.

[1Parker1]

After last season's implosion, it's hard to believe completely in the Mavs. There are 4 things that can stop them:

1) Injury to key player: Dirk, Diop, Harris, Terry
2) Suns: If they can keep up their pace in the postseason and learn how to win close games and play defense
3) Spurs make a great trade to counter the Mavs
4) DWade/Lebron James/Kirk Heinrich/Ben Gordon or any other player in the East taking over ala Wade last season in the Finals.

[Budkin]

This thread is all speculation. Who the thought the Heat were actually going to win it all last year other than Stephen A. Smith?

[1Parker1]

^^Very good point. For the large part, the Pistons looked unbeatable in the regular season, much like the Mavs this season. Remember how we all thought the Pistons looked like they were on a mission to get back to the Finals and reclaim their le??

Mavs playing similiarly (minus the fact that they never won a le...)

[THE SIXTH MAN]

do me a favor and stop with all the stupid ass threads. your common sense, as your basketball takes, is worthless.

I agree with this, the thread starter is either the most fair-weather fan I've met or he really isn't a spurs fan.

As for the threads question. The Mavs are by far the most superior team in the league at the moment. And they probably will be all the way in to the playoffs. But as so many people have stated in this thread(including mav fans) is that it wont always necessarily translate in to the playoffs. The Mavs will be a very difficult team come playoff time, but that doesn't mean that they're unbeatable.

[Xylus]

Dirk41MVP...

1) I never said you were ignorant, I said you were arrogant, especially as a fan of a team that's never really won anything (don't worry, I know how you feel). There's a big difference between arrogance and ignorance, sir. *Throws you a Webster's*

2) This is what I said:

I'm sorry, but comparisons to Nellie-era Mavs are just silly. Do you really think the Nellie-era Mavs are anywhere near as good as D'Antoni-era Suns? Until I see some stats to back it up, I can't take that claim seriously.

I was referring to the comparison in a general sense, offense and defense both included. Now, you did well to prove that the Nellie-era Mavs have similar defensive stats, but you failed to prove that the two teams are similar in overall skill. The Suns are vastly better shooters and passers. And on the defensive end, it looks like the Suns are slightly better in most categories apart from Opponents' FG%. Even then, while the Mavs' had a 1.2% edge in that category, the Suns have a 4.5% edge in offensive FG%. Quite a difference there, too.

3) If you want defensive statistics showing that the Suns are one of the top 10 defenses in the league, why don't you check about 15 posts back... I posted it all there. Go ahead, take a look.

4) Yeah, I suppose it's hard to quantify a team's chemistry using statistics, but just watch a Suns game from time to time. No team in the league has a better chemistry.

5) Not sure why you're being so hostile towards me. I understand that you love, love, love your team! But c'mon, mild-mannered debate is so much more effective, so calm down. Otherwise, you just look childish.

6) Finally, my main point is this: The '07 Suns play a very different style of basketball than the '03 Mavs, which those offensive stats indicate. So I don't understand how you can compare them when the two teams aren't even that similar.

[Fillmoe]

nothing is guaranteed.... i remember when i swore there was no way anyone other than sac was going to win the championship.... the year their 12th active player was gerald wallace......... and we were stacked...... but didnt go through..... nothing in this game is guaranteed..... and dallas has proved they are great chockers

[Greg Oden]

if the kings got me right now, no other team would even qualify for the playoffs.

[FlyHigh07]

if the kings got me right now, no other team would even qualify for the playoffs.

[Jimmy1234]

Dallas big problem is, that they finally depands too mutch on one player - Dirk.
If Dirk play strong, they can beat everyone, even if the cast stuggled. Bud if Dirk struggled and shoots only 40% from the court, then they get problems against playoff teams.

Look at last years playoffs: They lost in the finals against a team, that was worser than spurs or the suns, although even Terry player over his usally play, because Miami controlled Dirk, and unfortunately Dirk plays 95% of the games like da Uberman, but turns sometimes in to a pussy and seems to lost his skills.

And our enemys know this: They will throw in the postseason two or three people on Dirk all the time in order to guarantee that Dallas suppoting cast has to beat them.

[mabber]

Dallas big problem is, that they finally depands too mutch on one player - Dirk.
If Dirk play strong, they can beat everyone, even if the cast stuggled. Bud if Dirk struggled and shoots only 40% from the court, then they get problems against playoff teams.

Look at last years playoffs: They lost in the finals against a team, that was worser than spurs or the suns, although even Terry player over his usally play, because Miami controlled Dirk, and unfortunately Dirk plays 95% of the games like da Uberman, but turns sometimes in to a pussy and seems to lost his skills.

And our enemys know this: They will throw in the postseason two or three people on Dirk all the time in order to guarantee that Dallas suppoting cast has to beat them.

Do you even watch their games? Dirk was high scorer in only 3 of their wins in their most recent 13 game winning streak. Dirk has got to the point where he usually only steps up when the team really needs him (in 4th quarters).

"seems to lost his skills"?????? What the F are you talking about???

One of the best things about this team is that teams really CAN'T and DON'T throw 2-3 guys at Dirk anymore cuz they have so many other weapons (Howard, Terry, Stack, etc.) that will burn them.

[Tradition]

Phil Jackson doesn't see it that way.

You take Phils mind games to heart. Phil always spews bull to get in the oppositions head. In reality he props you guys bigtime for that le.

[Jimmy1234]

One of the best things about this team is that teams really CAN'T and DON'T throw 2-3 guys at Dirk anymore cuz they have so many other weapons (Howard, Terry, Stack, etc.) that will burn them.

Ha, ha!
Did you saw the finals... where were all those weapons? I saw nothing, only Terry was in the game.

No one stepped up.
You must learn to differentiate whether the Mavs plays against good or bad teams.

Right, against bad teams, the cast is good, but against good teams, it`s all Dirk to score 30+ to win - particularly on road games.

Man, Stack is 39% from the court - wow!
D. George also - 39% wow!

Josh sucks on road games.
The only one i trust in big games beside Dirk is Terry, to team with him. Josh is one game hop, other flop - partcularly since the old ball is back.

[mabber]

Ha, ha!
Did you saw the finals... where were all those weapons? I saw nothing, only Terry was in the game.

No one stepped up.
You must learn to differentiate whether the Mavs plays against good or bad teams.

Right, against bad teams, the cast is good, but against good teams, it`s all Dirk to score 30+ to win - particularly on road games.

Man, Stack is 39% from the court - wow!
D. George also - 39% wow!

Josh sucks on road games.
The only one i trust in big games beside Dirk is Terry, to team with him. Josh is one game hop, other flop - partcularly since the old ball is back.

Are you foreign?

[Amare_32]

Dallas big problem is, that they finally depands too mutch on one player - Dirk.
If Dirk play strong, they can beat everyone, even if the cast stuggled. Bud if Dirk struggled and shoots only 40% from the court, then they get problems against playoff teams.

Look at last years playoffs: They lost in the finals against a team, that was worser than spurs or the suns, although even Terry player over his usally play, because Miami controlled Dirk, and unfortunately Dirk plays 95% of the games like da Uberman, but turns sometimes in to a pussy and seems to lost his skills.

And our enemys know this: They will throw in the postseason two or three people on Dirk all the time in order to guarantee that Dallas suppoting cast has to beat them.

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[dallaskd]

no.