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The Pacers don't have room on their roster for all those players.
If they trade O'Neal, they can get a much better deal than that.
If the Spurs wanted to trade for O'neal without losing one of the three, it'd have to be something like:
Bowen, Williams, Horry, Butler and Bonner for O'neal.
The Pacers don't have room on their roster for all those players.
If they trade O'Neal, they can get a much better deal than that.
I never said it was an actual deal, just the only way for it to work without using a big 3.
The Pacers don't have room on their roster for all those players.
If they trade O'Neal, they can get a much better deal than that.
If we did, Tony/Barry for O'Neal works.
Would you trade Tony for O'Neal, would Indy take O'Neal for Tony?
No, I would trade Tony for O'Neal and leave the Spurs point guard-less.
And I don't think the Spurs want a player that makes 19.7M next year, over 21M the next, etc.
I'd pay O'neal that in a heartbeat. He's worth it. Duncan and JON side-by-side would be like the 1999 team, only potentially better. We didn't have Manu or Parker then, and won it all. Course, we had the little general at point, and solid 3-point shooters.
I would at this point even trade Manu. Swingmen are plentiful these days in the NBA. We wouldn't need someone just as good as Manu to step in, we'd just need a player in the realm of his abilities. With the post presence, it wouldn't matter. We'd dominate boards every single game against any team in the league.
Even a lineup like Parker, Finley, Bowen, JON, Duncan would be hard pressed -not- to win a le. Think about that. Who would POSSIBLY present matchup problems with that line-up? We have a Dirk stopper in JON. The Suns -- well, we'd have defense AND offense, they'd only have offense, and we still have Bowen to shut down Marion (not that he would need to completely stuff him). Parker would still destroy Nash, so we'd have penetration ability and be able to force their defense to collapse.
No team in the LEAGUE would be able to guard us in the paint. Even with their bigs, the Mavs would be hopelessly outclassed. We'd have their big men in foul trouble from the 1st quarter of every game on. Not to mention how dominant JON could be with Duncan as a mentor.
Guys, I love Manu. He has more heart than almost anyone else in the NBA, and he's a great asset to this team. But at some point we are going to face the fact that we have matchup problems with the Mavs. Trading Manu away sucks, but wouldn't losing in the WCF suck more this year? I think so. Duncan is still in his prime. Make this deal happen, pick up a good swingman when free agency rolls around, and win 3 more les with Parker/x/Bowen-whoever else we can get/JON/Duncan. Just two DECENT guards would be enough with that PG/PF/C combination.
Not to mention that, in order to acquire the SG/SFs we need, Pop could use a little something like this as an approach: "How would you like to play for (perhaps) the most dominant post tandem in NBA history?" He could then wax poetic about how the lane would part like the Red Sea whenever Duncan and O'Neal stepped out of the paint and drew defenders with them, the following easy lay-ups, the glory of les, and a surefire contract boost for anyone on that team. All you need to do is sign on the dotted line, work your ass off on defense, and watch every other team in the league suddenly go into panic mode.
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 01-20-2007 at 02:09 AM.
How bout' this. We coach our guys to play the right way....
Don't forget guys....We still have Scola's rights.
I have a question....What happens if Jermaine O'Neal becomes the next Vin Baker?..... Then what? Or maybe the next Shawn Kemp? Hmmmm.....
I am crying out to the main office please make this deal work, the Spurs shelf life will be added 4 plus years and become the best team in the league.
Just keep Tim
At what age did Vin Baker and Shawn Kemp lose their prime.
Mid to late 20's
By that logic, the Spurs should NEVER TRADE FOR ANOTHER PLAYER. What if they turn out to be a bust!? Oh noes!!!
Because taking a pot shot at some unknown in the late 1st round is much more secure than Jermaine O'Neal. Are you serious? Look at his freaking numbers. He's proven himself as a dominant post presence in the NBA. With Duncan alongside, they would completely shut down the lane.
He gets boards, points, blocks, and most importantly, he's aggressive. And guess what? He's never won a le. He would fight so hard to ensure that we win it this year, guaranteed.
The bottom line is that NO team in the NBA could match up this season with Parker/Fin/Bowen/O'Neal/Duncan and feel comfortable about it. Sure, the Suns would give us occassional problems, and , the Mavs might still run us to 7, though I doubt it. We'd dominate on boards and blocks EVERY series, and still have enough weapons to score consistently. That's more than enough to win the le, IMHO.
The bonus would be that O'Neal is young enough to rebuild after Duncan goes into decline. We'd still have Parker/O'neal to use as a backbone for building up a young team hungry to keep us in the hunt for les.
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Just for the record, I peered at Kemp's numbers. He never had a season as solid as Jermaine is putting together. Arguably his best would be 93-94, when he averaged 18 PPG with 10.8 boards, 2.6 assists, and 2.1 blocks. JON is putting up 19-10.4-2.9 with over 3 blocks! I understand what you're saying, but JON is a better defender right now than Kemp ever was. Right now, that's what our team needs more than a slashing guard. We need to re-establish the BEST defense in the league. JON would very give us not only that, but a true Dirk stopper as well (as much as the man can be stopped).
Last edited by Cry Havoc; 01-20-2007 at 02:55 AM.
I would give up Manu as part of a package deal in a heartbeat for O'neal. Come on guys O'neal, Duncan and Parker in our starting 5 that is totally worth saying bye bye to MANU.
is it me or are a lot of people still drunk from the new year celebration?
seriously spurs FO wont get a player who is payed that much ^^
they went HARD after kidd who will make that much soon
they also went after oneal to a lesser degree
and they talked to brand
tony parker is a scrub, trade him
wasnt bird interested in orb, i ship him out also with barry + filler
Another bullet the Spurs dodged in free agency.
i have an idea....lets tell jonathan about our trade ideas,and he can tell pop and rc how badly spurs fans want JO. im sure he can a deal done. lmao
This is the only trade for Marion i've ever thought of considering. I've never wanted to trade him in the past because i know his value to the team. O'Neal is one of the few players i'd trade Marion for, but that's just me. Putting O'Neal, Amare and Diaw on the front line might be enough to push the Suns over.
Besides, we all know how Marion does when his name comes up in trade rumorsPOW!
J. O'Neal has a terrible fg% for a big man and his contract is whack. He just isn't worth it. Move on.
TD + JO whiniest frontcourt in the NBA!
seriously, I was high on JO back when he was a RFA but since then I've come to believe the guy has no balls. I dont think he would help as much as his numbers suggest.
Are we looking for points or some one that can stop Dirk
Might trade Oneal even up for Duncan. Their stats are virtually the same and Oneal is a little more athletic and younger.
But then you have to think about what Duncan has meant to the Spurs. And that Pop has said that when Duncan goes, he goes. Hmmm. Do the deal.
Seriously, ONeal is not an option. We have nothing the Pacers want without trading one of the big Three and losing either Parker or Manu would simply create another big hole in the starting roster.
O'Neal is no Dirk stopper (Dirk scored 43 in their last matchup) and signing him would just leave us with gaping holes at other positions. You beat Dallas with depth and defense, not just by stopping Dirk. They are a well balanced team.
O'Neal is too expensive, Spurs can't have two bigmen paid $20M/year.
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