Does anyone disagree with this statement?

[Kori Ellis]

I don't think I'm wrong.

You can continue to be condescending. I really don't care. When you show me some sort of proof that Devin Brown never once played back-up PG for the Spurs, I'll "give it up".

Show proof where the Spurs originally thought PG was his natural position and they spent time and effort trying to convert him into a "true point" and that experiment failed.

That's what your claim was. So that's what you need to find proof of. None of us really care.

It's just funny how you sidetracked this thread with a bunch of nonsense. When the original point was ... Devin's not that good, but he might have been a better option than what we have now. I don't even completely agree with that. But I do agree that the Spurs are hurting at backup point guard, backup swingman, and athletic PF.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

You can't openly say anything you want and then expect people to disprove you and claim you're correct in your assumption otherwise. The burden of proof lies with you. You are the one who claimed he played PG, it is your job to back up that statement if you expect to be taken seriously.

Unfortunately there's no stat for bench players, in regard to what position they played. Not to mention I simply made a statement (like countless other posters on here who make posts without any sort of 'evidence'). If somebody is to call me an idiot, and say I don't know anything about basketball...one would think the 'burden of proof' is on them to prove there statement.



I already tried the Spurs stats, and Google. There's no way for me to show Devin Brown played minutes at backup PG. But I'm sure it happened. I'm hoping somebody else on here remembers that happening.

[timvp]

I disagree with the statement. I think Devin just wasn't going to work here. I don't think he would have been any worse, but TBH no one thought our 2/3s from the bench were going to be the big problem this year. We all knew the back 1 might be an issue, and the 4 spot would more than likely be an issue, but no one was thinking that Devin fit a need.

Barry hasn't shown the ability to beat out Devin for playing time when both are healthy. With Barry, Finley and Bowen having a combined age of over 100, you'd think Spurs fans would be open to getting insurance for the minimum. Especially insurance which has proven to be able to play in the Spurs' system and come up big in the playoffs.

I guess not.

Or read this whole thread. I was begging for the Spurs to sign him.

[Cry Havoc]

Or read this whole thread. I was begging for the Spurs to sign him.

PSH! What do you know TIMVP?

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Oh yeah. Crap.

[timvp]

Unfortunately there's no stat for bench players, in regard to what position they played. Not to mention I simply made a statement (like countless other posters on here who make posts without any sort of 'evidence'). If somebody is to call me an idiot, and say I don't know anything about basketball...one would think the 'burden of proof' is on them to prove there statement.

Check here, buddy: http://www.82games.com/04SAS5C.HTM

Devin Brown never played point guard.

Game over.

Apology Accepted.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

It's just funny how you sidetracked this thread with a bunch of nonsense. When the original point was ... Devin's not that good, but he might have been a better option than what we have now. I don't even completely agree with that. But I do agree that the Spurs are hurting at backup point guard, backup swingman, and athletic PF.

I sidetracked this thread? My original post was simply:

Granted he probably wasn't playing 100%, but from what I saw of him at the gym...I wouldn't go near the guy. He doesn't look that great. And from what I've seen of him with the Hornets I don't see why any teams would trip over themselves trying to sign the guy.

The guy is having a tough time beatin gout Pargo for minutes, that should say something about his value.

Timvp gets a kick out of comments like:

Leave it to Please_dont_ban_me to come up with the worst scouting report of all time. At least he didn't tell us who Devin Brown reminded him of.

Do you even follow basketball?

Let's see if Please_dont_ban_me can pick Devin Brown out of this photo lineup:

My comment was about him not being that great. Your boy chose to take the back-up PG comment and run with it.

[MannyIsGod]

Ok fair enough. But you have to take this into account as well:

1) Devin had a bad history with the Spurs. He's basically admitted that himself. Its pretty hard to go resign a player that you know didn't put in a good amount of effort and didn't really impress all that much when he was with another team.

2) Just because Devin is doing OK with the Hornets doesn't mean he would have done any better than Finley/Barry here. The situation didn't work for him before, it may not have worked again.

3) Finley and Barry both played well at the end of last year. There was no reason to not expect them to play at a decent level this year. And sometimes Barry has. Finley has sucked ass all year, but don't tell me you expected Finley to be this bad because there is no way I'll believe that.

Add to that that Devin's numbers are really overinflated in NO right now. He's playing OK, but can he maintain it and do that now that he's playing more regular minutes as opposed to just garbage time? I'm not sure yet. All in all with hindsight I definitely wish they had brought him in, but to me that just shows you how far away we are from being a championship team. When you're pining for Devin Brown, something is definitely wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

PDBM is just a drama queen. We've seen it time and time again.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Check here, buddy: http://www.82games.com/04SAS5C.HTM

Devin Brown never played point guard.

Game over.

Apology Accepted.

Fair enough, I was wrong.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

PDBM is just a drama queen. We've seen it time and time again.

Manny. Really...what does this have to do with you?

[MannyIsGod]

Manny. Really...what does this have to do with you?

My bad, go back to your private conversation on the internet. Peace.

[Cry Havoc]

Manny. Really...what does this have to do with you?

You made a post to a public forum claiming to know something you didn't. You're going to catch for it. Just sit back, laugh, take everything a little less seriously, and things will look a lot better for you. Promise.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

My bad, go back to your private conversation on the internet. Peace.

^ is your friend.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

You made a post to a public forum claiming to know something you didn't. You're going to catch for it. Just sit back, laugh, take everything a little less seriously, and things will look a lot better for you. Promise.

I don't have a problem being wrong. It's just the way someone goes about saying it that irks me. If he didn't play back up PG, then he didn't play back up PG. Just say that. Putting it in a 'your an idiot' type of format bugs me. Anyways. I was wrong. Sorry for sidetracking the thread.

[Cry Havoc]

That's what I'm saying. If you have a problem being called an idiot.... stay far, far away from the net, cause it's gonna happen, deserved or not.

[timvp]

Ok fair enough. But you have to take this into account as well:

1) Devin had a bad history with the Spurs. He's basically admitted that himself. Its pretty hard to go resign a player that you know didn't put in a good amount of effort and didn't really impress all that much when he was with another team.

2) Just because Devin is doing OK with the Hornets doesn't mean he would have done any better than Finley/Barry here. The situation didn't work for him before, it may not have worked again.

3) Finley and Barry both played well at the end of last year. There was no reason to not expect them to play at a decent level this year. And sometimes Barry has. Finley has sucked ass all year, but don't tell me you expected Finley to be this bad because there is no way I'll believe that.

Add to that that Devin's numbers are really overinflated in NO right now. He's playing OK, but can he maintain it and do that now that he's playing more regular minutes as opposed to just garbage time? I'm not sure yet. All in all with hindsight I definitely wish they had brought him in, but to me that just shows you how far away we are from being a championship team. When you're pining for Devin Brown, something is definitely wrong.

1) True. However, we are talking about a minimum contract. He messes up once, you cut him. Plus this was after a year of playing under Jerry Sloan. He doesn't put up with slacking.

2) I don't agree. In 2005, Brown had beaten out Barry as the team's backup swingman. The only reason he lost the job was due to injury. He put up better stats that year than Finley or Barry did last year.

3) The Spurs entered the year with an old, old swingman rotation. As I said in that thread, it was a huge risk. Barry, Finley and Bowen are all closer to retirement than their prime. To protect yourself from one or more of those players having an off year due to injury or age was the obvious thing to do. Especially when the insurance option costs as much as James White.

And Devin is averaging 14 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists as a starter. Coming into this game, the Hornets were undefeated with him starting at point guard ... and that's with Paul, Peja, West, BJax, etc. injured. I don't think it's fair to Devin to insinuate that his production has come in garbage minutes.

[MannyIsGod]

^ is your friend.

Well, that may very well be the case, but I guess another way I could lose weight would be to have no balls like you. Poor PDBM, have you picked out your Wedding Dress yet?

[MannyIsGod]

1) True. However, we are talking about a minimum contract. He messes up once, you cut him. Plus this was after a year of playing under Jerry Sloan. He doesn't put up with slacking.

2) I don't agree. In 2005, Brown had beaten out Barry as the team's backup swingman. The only reason he lost the job was due to injury. He put up better stats that year than Finley or Barry did last year.

3) The Spurs entered the year with an old, old swingman rotation. As I said in that thread, it was a huge risk. Barry, Finley and Bowen are all closer to retirement than their prime. To protect yourself from one or more of those players having an off year due to injury or age was the obvious thing to do. Especially when the insurance option costs as much as James White.

And Devin is averaging 14 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists as a starter. Coming into this game, the Hornets were undefeated with him starting at point guard ... and that's with Paul, Peja, West, BJax, etc. injured. I don't think it's fair to Devin to insinuate that his production has come in garbage minutes.

Those are fair points. Its sad that its not even the ASB and there are so many glaring holes and no way to fix them.

[Please_dont_ban_me]

Well, that may very well be the case, but I guess another way I could lose weight would be to have no balls like you. Poor PDBM, have you picked out your Wedding Dress yet?

No balls? You're going to have to elaborate on that one for me, tubby.

If you're sincerely looking to lose weight, not swallowing down sausage at meets is probably a good start. Please refrain from checking out my package. Thanks.

[polandprzem]

Typical timp thread

[Please_dont_ban_me]

To stay on topic for a second, is this even realistic?

Is there a fair chance of him ending up in a Spurs jersey, despite the Spurs saying 'thanks but no thanks' earlier in the season? Also...how much is he making right now with the Hornets?

[Kori Ellis]

To stay on topic for a second, is this even realistic?

Is there a fair chance of him ending up in a Spurs jersey, despite the Spurs saying 'thanks but no thanks' earlier in the season? Also...how much is he making right now with the Hornets?

No chance; the Spurs aren't interested. He makes the minimum.

[MannyIsGod]

No balls? You're going to have to elaborate on that one for me, tubby.

If you're sincerely looking to lose weight, not swallowing down sausage at meets is probably a good start. Please refrain from checking out my package. Thanks.

Checking out your package?

I just figured your constant whining was sign you might be missing your balls.

[BeerIsGood!]

No chance; the Spurs aren't interested. He makes the minimum.

Besides Mags and SJax, who is a legitimate possible contender for youth and/or athleticism at the backup 2 or 3 for this season? I can't think of many scenarios where the Spurs go into the playoffs with anything different than what they have right now.

[polandprzem]

Well maybe we should start a thread about bringing back Gervin, Robinson, Elliott, Gilmore and others?

Worth thinking