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Carter is better at dunking than Manu, and that is about it.
What's in the past is in the past. A lot of teams could say we should have drafted this guy or that guy. It's a game of chance. The bottom line is that we have had a very good team over the last decade with three championships. How many other teams can say the same? Not many. This season is not even half over..don't count out our Spurs.
Don't compare team success with individule player success. They are not the same. You look stupid saying one player is better because his team won. Carter never had Duncan.
You're dumb.
Yeah, I know that I'd much rather see a guy throw down some in' dunks against the Atlanta Hawks than throw down some threes in the NBA Finals to win a championship.
Are you really this ing stupid?
No you are. Only a spur fan will say that Manu > Carter.
Or someone who values NBA les more than dunk contest les. The sad thing is Manu has more rings than Carter has dunk les, yet you still suck his like some pussy ass wannabe.
Go beat off to your And 1 Mix Tape, dumbass.
Carter has had the better overall career(better stats more all star appearances but he will win lesss les because he was not fortunate to have a player like Duncan) and will end up having the better career when they are both finished. By your logic Karl malone and Barkley are not as good as Manu either.
Don't forget Manu choked away two playoff losses last year that cost the spurs against Dallas.
As long as people are complaining, you might as well throw the name David Lee out there. Lee is averaging 11 points and 11 rebounds in only 30 minutes a game ... and just keeps getting better and better. The Spurs traded Malik Rose, the pick that became David Lee, another first round pick and $3M for Nazr Mohammed.
If the Spurs had David Lee, they'd easily win the championship. He's a guy who can rebound but is also agile enough to play against smaller players.
P.S.
And for those saying that Pop always has the last call on personel decisions, don't forget about the Raja Bell case. Pop wanted the Spurs to keep Bell. RC wanted the Spurs to keep Derrick Dial.
Another thing that slowed the Spurs acquisition of a talented young player over the last couple years was messing around with Melvin Sanders. I told people Sanders was a scrub when the Spurs first invited him to summer league two years ago. He wasn't and never will be an NBA quality player.
That'd didn't stop the Spurs from wasting two years on him and giving him the spot in summer league and on the NBA roster that could have gone to someone with actual potential.
I think if you look at that list posted, the most obvious point is that in the past 4 years the Spurs have only added one player who they actually drafted- Beno. The Spurs chose to trade away draft picks in the first round because of fianancial purposes- not just to save money for Kidd, but also to trade Malik,... I also happen to believe- and few will agree- that they should have done something different in the draft in 2005. Regardless of whether or not Ian becomes a stud, the Spurs could have drafted him in the second round. I think there is no real debate on that. They could have found a way to get a second round pick (it's not that hard) and use it on him and use their first round pick for immediate help. The Spurs did not want to use a first round pick for immediate help because that person would have signed a contract that year. They again wanted to save salary. Instead, they also assured themselves of not having to deal with the whole Scola/Javtokas contract negotiation saga again as Ian's salary is locked in at cheap whenever he comes to the NBA. The Spurs get him cheap for 2 years to test out- and then if he works out well, they get him 2 more years cheap. If he is a bust, well, they only spent a little in salary on him. I believe instead they should have been willing to invest less than a million dollars in a young player who could join the team last year.
Carter has had multiple pairings with other All-Star level players. Weak excuse, from a weak poster. My God, he plays on a damn team with Kidd and Jefferson in the piss poor East for crying out loud!
Hmm, I only remember one crunch time screw up by Manu, and off hand I can think of your pretty boy Vinsanity choking at least 4 playoff games, so what's your point?
The Malone/Barkley logic isn't valid either, both of those guys are head and shoulders above anything Carter could ever hope to be.
Carter will go down a lot like Ray Allen and Allen Iverson will - chuckers who never one a ing thing but scored a lot of points.
It's pretty ing lame to try and compare Vince to Manu.
Manu:Vince Carter:* 2001 Italian League Championship (Kinder Bologna)
* 2001 Italian Cup (Kinder Bologna)
* 2001 Euroleague (Kinder Bologna)
* 2001 Americas Championship (Argentina)
* 2002 Italian Cup (Kinder Bologna)
* 2003 NBA Championship (San Antonio Spurs)
* 2004 Summer Olympic Games Gold Medal (Argentina)
* 2005 NBA Championship (San Antonio Spurs)
Individual Awards:
* 1999 Italian League All-Star
* 2000 Italian League All-Star
* 2000 Italian League Most Improved Player
* 2001 Italian League All-Star
* 2001 Italian League Most Valuable Player
* 2001 Euroleague Most Valuable Player
* 2002 Italian Cup Most Valuable Player
* 2002 Italian League Most Valuable Player
* 2002 All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Championship
* 2004 Ideal Olympics Team
* 2004 Summer Olympic Games Most Valuable Player
* 2005 NBA All-Star
* 2005 Nike Baller Of The Year (fan poll)
* 2006 All-Tournament Team, FIBA World Championship
Yeah, you're right, it is really ing stupid to compare the two* 7-time NBA All-Star selection: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006; was selected in 2002 but missed the game due to injury
* 2-time All-NBA:
* Second Team: 2001
* Third Team: 2000
* NBA Slam Dunk Champion 2000
* NBA All-Rookie First Team: 1999
* NBA Rookie of the Year Award: 1999
* The Sporting News NBA Rookie of the Year: 1999
And spare me the "Carter didn't have a guy like Duncan" bull , tell me who on the Argentinian team that Manu captained to gold medals, world les, etc. could even carry Duncan's jock.
Mahinmi only entered the draft because the Spurs guaranteed him a first round selection. It's too early to blame the Spurs for that pick, since Presti has a pretty damn good track record so far with the Spurs.
Mahinmi and Butler are the two players who could save face for the Spurs. If one of those players turns into a startable NBA bigman, then the Spurs will look smart again.
Right now I have more hope for Butler, but Mahinmi had a couple good games in summer league ... so I guess we'll see.
The problem with those picks LJ is that we need help now. Not in 3-4 years when Ian figures out how to play in the damn league or Butler finally gets off the Stephen Jackson plan.
But will it be too late...
WTF do you care, your a in Raptors fan.
Go to their messageboards and bother them.
ing eh.
As long as people are complaining, you might as well throw the name David Lee out there. Lee is averaging 11 points and 11 rebounds in only 30 minutes a game ... and just keeps getting better and better. The Spurs traded Malik Rose, the pick that became David Lee, another first round pick and $3M for Nazr Mohammed.
If the Spurs had David Lee, they'd easily win the championship. He's a guy who can rebound but is also agile enough to play against smaller players.
P.S.
And for those saying that Pop always has the last call on personel decisions, don't forget about the Raja Bell case. Pop wanted the Spurs to keep Bell. RC wanted the Spurs to keep Derrick Dial.
That's easily the worst trade in the TD era. And Spurs fans ed themselves...
To be fair, the Spurs never would have drafted David Lee. That whole 'American player' thing would've ruled him out.
But yeah, with Lee off the bench, we're in much better shape.
*cough*Sergei Karaulov*cough*
I happen to think that part of what has hurt the Spurs in their personel decisions is a little hubris. The Spurs started for a while to get the notion that just about any player would want to join the Spurs, but it has not happened that way.
How many other NBA team owners/ownership groups would give a about the luxury tax if they had the Big 3 plus management who had a decent knack for finding talent abroad? Spurs fans are far too willing to settle just because the team won a few les. With a little more aggressive ownership this team could be playing for le #5 in a row. Instead right now everyone is silently hoping this team doesn't get dropped in the 1st round come April.
Tim Duncan is one of the greatest players in the history of professional basketball. He deserves a better supporting cast.
duncan has a alot bettter suporting cast then david
*cough* lastplayersinthedraftpanout.01%ofthetime *cough*
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