Dallas rebounds better than Phoenix
Dallas plays defense better than Phoenix
Dallas Controls tempo better than Phoenix.
Dallas>Phoenix. Simple as that.
Ha ha ha....
I don't know whats better...the articles written about the Suns, or the Mavs fans' counter to them.
First it was someone named "blogfish" "shooting down" Bill Simmons' piece.
But now, we have "Mary" from some mavs site who "broke down" Eddie Johnson's piece.
Man..the mavs get so much more respect than the Suns.
Seriously, how can anyone top the writings of "Blogfish" or "Mary"?
you know at one point in time, before espn, bill simmons was just another blogger. here's a thought: rather than focus on one's credentials, why don't you just respond to the comments made by "mary"...oh that's right, you leave it to the prosHa ha ha....
I don't know whats better...the articles written about the Suns, or the Mavs fans' counter to them.
First it was someone named "blogfish" "shooting down" Bill Simmons' piece.
But now, we have "Mary" from some mavs site who "broke down" Eddie Johnson's piece.
Man..the mavs get so much more respect than the Suns.
Seriously, how can anyone top the writings of "Blogfish" or "Mary"?
http://www.hoopshype.com/columns/suns2_johnson.htm
Phoenix just better than Dallas
by Eddie Johnson / January 24, 2007
THE AUTHOR:
EDDIE JOHNSON
I know even before I write this article that I will be accused as being a homer. I can just imagine the type of e-mails I will get from Mavericks fans about my honesty because I happen to broadcast for the Suns – in my estimation, the best team in the NBA and the most exciting squad I have ever seen. Phoenix is indeed the best team in the league, although the Mavericks have beaten them twice this year. I will go on the record and say the Suns will beat them handily when they meet in the Conference Finals in May and here is why... But again, before I start Maverick fan, hear me out!
I have never been accused of being a great defender, but yet I carved out a 17-year career. I heard a story Larry Bird once told at a camp about the importance of great offense. He said, "Take a look at that gentleman standing underneath the basket on the other end of the floor. He was one of the best defenders I have ever seen play basketball. But guess what? He never played a minute in the NBA. Now let’s talk about shooting and scoring the basketball."
My message to all these gurus of how to win a championship: You need to settle down and stop looking at what the Pistons of the 80s and what the great Bulls did on the defensive end and take notice of what they did on the offensive end of the court.
Offense creates good defense, not the other way around. Detroit and Chicago controlled the tempo with the way they balanced the floor offensively. They always knew where the shot was coming from and because of that, they had a balanced floor. So when they retreated defensively, they were not vulnerable to a fast break or high-percentage shots.
The great Lakers and Celtics championship teams led by Bird and Magic Johnson were exactly the same. But they were uptempo like the Phoenix Suns are today. They ran with a purpose and had assignments based on the position they were in on a fast break – which enabled them to keep a balanced floor.
So when I hear that the Suns can’t win with their style of play, I say go ask Larry Bird and Magic Johnson if that is true. I say that because they know the secret to fast-break success.
Here it is!
You must first have a point guard who is a born leader and a threat to score 20-plus points and add 8 to 12 assists every night. But most importantly, you must have a frontcourt player with similar skills. This allows continuation and flow of the break – especially when the fast break moves to the secondary stage. You see most breaks fizzle out after the first thrust, but those Lakers and Celtics teams hit you hard on the secondary movement of the break.
That’s the secret to the success of the break and that is why teams might want to play like the Suns, but they can’t because selfishness creeps into their game – thus surprising teammates and creating an unbalanced floor for defensive breakdowns on the other end.
One important note is that the point guard does not have to be a speed demon. Dennis Johnson is my first example.
Johnson played point guard for the Celtics and most players could outrun him not going at full speed. But he and Bird gave Boston two passers that kept things in motion and made their break extremely dangerous. With Bird normally handling the ball in the frontcourt during the secondary break, the ball always found the right hands with a balanced floor – thus the good defense on the other end.
Here’s another example...
The Lakers had Magic. He had good, but not blazing speed. Then they had James Worthy and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. L.A. happened to be blessed with the best passer ever and two more excellent passers in Worthy and Kareem. The scouting report for most teams before the game against the Lakers was retreat and retreat fast thus ignoring any offensive rebound attempts – which was basketball suicide because the Lakers normally led the league in field-goal percentage. That meant teams had no chance to win if they attempted less field goals against them.
That’s why the Kings were so good with Mike Bibby, Chris Webber and Vlade Divac. But the triangle offense and the inside-outside dominance of Shaquille O'Neal and Kobe Bryant was too much for them to overcome.
But here is the difference... There are no inside-outside dominant combinations in the Western Conference. Definitely not in Dallas. That's the reason why the Suns are the best team in the league and will beat the Dallas Mavericks in May.
The Suns have the blueprint for fast-break success to a championship. Steve Nash's and Boris Diaw's excellent passing abilities have given the Suns what the great fast-breaking Lakers and Celtics teams had in the past.
Yes, Dallas beat the Suns in the Conference Finals last year and are up 2-0 so far this season, but when you dig deeper you will find out why the Suns will prevail in the end.
Lets dig!
Dallas' success over the last few years has come against a Suns team affected by injuries. In the back of their minds, they know they wouldn't have beaten the Suns at full strength.
Amare Stoudemire did not play last year and was rounding into shape the first two encounters this season. Kurt Thomas was coming back from a foot injury and Raja Bell pulled a calf muscle and struggled after Game 2 of the series. Yet the Suns took the Mavericks to Game 6. I don't think the Mavericks would have won a game had they lost Josh Howard or Jason Terry.
The Mavericks have no answer for Amare Stoudemire. They have to stay big because Dirk Nowitzki cannot and will not guard him fearing foul trouble. So the Mavericks lose the extra scorer they need on the floor because they have to play Erick Dampier and DeSagana Diop.
The Suns have the bodies – Diaw, Shawn Marion and James Jones – to wear Dirk down over a seven-game series, especially with Amare and Kurt Thomas in the paint to negate him from posting up freely and rolling to the basket.
The Mavericks will be the tired team because they depend on three players – Nowitzki, Howard and Terry – to put up big numbers, while the Suns have seven players on their roster that can score 25 points any given night and their scoring comes off the catch-and-shoot instead of the bumping and grinding Dirk and Howard go through every night.
Finally, the Steve Nash factor. Dallas has no answer to negate him. If they double off the screen-and-roll, the Suns will get open three-point attempts. If they switch, then Amare gets 40 points. Finally, if they go under the screen-and-roll, Nash scores 30-plus points.
Everybody, including Charles Barkley, says the Mavericks are a great defensive team and that’s why the Suns can’t beat them. Well, let’s look at the numbers.
- The Mavericks allow 92 points a game and score 99; 7 point differential. The Suns allow 102 points per game and score 111; 9 point differential.
- The Suns and Mavericks both hold the opposition to 45 percent from the field.
- The Mavericks average 42 rebounds per game. The Suns average 41 rebounds per game.
- The Mavericks allow opponents six less rebounds, but the Suns have taken over 300 more three-point shots – giving opponents more attempts at rebounds.
- The Mavericks and Suns both average 5 blocks and 6.5 steals per game.
- The Suns force one more turnover a game than the Mavericks.
- Here is the scariest stat of all for you defensive gurus... When the Suns play in a game when both teams are below 100, they are 5-1. That loss came against Dallas on a buzzer beater by Dirk Nowitzki. The Mavs, on the other hand, are 5-6 when teams score over 100 points against them.
Both teams are truly the class of the NBA and Avery Johnson and Mike D’Antoni should be truly admired for what they have accomplished so far. It is truly remarkable how two teams can be this focused especially after subpar starts to the season. The Suns could be going for their 33rd win in a row if the snow doesn't hold them up in Denver before losing to the Wizards and without that last-second shot by Nowitzki a few days later. Dallas is just plain ridiculous as well. They are 34-4 since starting the season with four straight losses.
But the Suns get the edge.
Just wait!
Eddie Johnson is a regular contributor to HoopsHype.com
i fell asleep after the 1st paragraph
The Suns will lose to the Lakers if they meet in the playoffs.
Book it
i agreeThe Suns will lose to the Lakers if they meet in the playoffs.
Book it
Lakers are a dangerous team if Odom gets back and plays like he did earlier, they might make it to the WC Finals
If they start playing well togethor and get some favorable matchups in the playoffs, I can see it happening. If they pickup a solid PG in a trade, it will be very possible.
It's possible that the Suns could beat Dallas in a playoff series, though I would take Dallas as the favorite.
That article was pretty awful.
Anyone who watches Dallas for any length of time knows that they have more than three guys who can fill it up. EJ apparently is willfully ignoring the existence of Devin Harris and Jerry Stackhouse.
He references the NBA of the 1980's. That is irrelevant.
He blabbers on about how the Suns are going to win because of offense. That is fine, but the Mavericks don't exactly suck on offense. The Suns are a little more efficient on offense, and a little less efficient on defense.
That deal about the Mavs being 5-6 when opponents score more than 100... wow. I don't know what that was all about. I bet you could show how bad the Spurs sucked when teams scored 100 on them during their le years.
To me, the question is going to be which team is the most versatile.
Lets just wait until May and let the teams decide it. We are not even at the All Star break yet. There is still alot of season left and you never know what can happen.
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Dallas is the favorite only because they made the Finals. Last year Detroit was the heavy favorite to win it all. Remind me again who won the le.
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I second this, lots of ball to be played, let's just hope both teams make it to and through the playoffs healthy. You know what might be kind of cool about this year's playoffs? There most likely won't be a weak team like the Grizzlies in the first round. Back in 05 Suns swept the Griz while the Mavs had to play a seven game series against the Rockets and last year the Mavs swept the Griz while the Spurs played a six game series against a tougher team. I could see all of the first round series in the West going at least to five games, if not more.
You all are putting way too much into early season loses and head-to-head. I've said it before and i'll say it again: Both of these teams have one thing in sight; a championship.
While they'd like home court it's not necessary for them come PO time. They'll both have to win on the road and know they can.
What will Mav fans say if the Suns win the next two against the Mavs? What if they're blowouts? And vise versa. Big whoop. The WCF's will ultimately determine the champion and these two teams are on a collision course that the NBA hasn't seen in a while.
Let's just enjoy what they're doing until the PO's start and the fun really begins. They're just getting tuned up right now.
That is a great paragraph. That must have taken a lot of time an thought to put on the interweb for everyone to read.It's funny how everybody talks about a healthy Amare being a difference. All I know is that be careful what you wish for Suns fans. Last year Dampier was relegated to being a DNP because he couldn't follow Tim Thomas out on the perimeter. He can't guard Amare Stoudamire either but that's his defensive assignment and it'll keep Dirk off of him and out of foul trouble. And while Damp is a flawed player and way overpaid, he does contribute and help his team. Without him in there, the Mavs lost a considerable rebounding advantage, which is an absolute necessity if you're going to beat Phoenix.
Just in case you forgot however, the Suns had exactly 0 players who could play (or defend) inside in the playoffs last year with their opening day Center, Power Forward and Guard watching from the front row.
No disrespect, Dallas is a rock solid team, and beat PHX fair and square last year. That said, in the immortal words of your star receiver, "get your popcorn ready". The Suns are on the verge of something special.
...Just ask Simmons
That is a great paragraph. That must have taken a lot of time an thought to put on the interweb for everyone to read.
Just in case you forgot however, the Suns had exactly 0 players who could play (or defend) inside in the playoffs last year with their opening day Center, Power Forward and Guard watching from the front row.
No disrespect, Dallas is a rock solid team, and beat PHX fair and square last year. That said, in the immortal words of your star receiver, "get your popcorn ready". The Suns are on the verge of something special.
...Just ask Simmons
Ask Simmons? You should read some of his stuff about last year's finals and get back to me. The guy, while a humorous and adept writer at times, isn't god.
Two things:
1. Watch what you say about EJ, because he might just come to this forum and jack your ass up. I have actually seen this happen before.
2. The interesting thing in this article is the why. He says that the Suns will win because of Diaw's PG skills, and the Mavs will lose because they don't have a distributing PG.
I won't commit to that, myself, but looking back on the last Suns/Mavs game--the Suns were up three when Diaw fouled out. After he left, they turned the ball over four times in the last five minutes and wound up losing by two.
So, maybe Eddie Johnson has a clue what he's talking about. You know, at least as much as some random forum poster.
I, for one, am happy to see that Eddie is recovering nicely from his cancer treatment.
What's that? Oh, that's Ernie Johnson? Then who the is Eddie Johnson?
I like how Simmons claims the Suns are "historically good" when they haven't won anything yet and aren't even the best team this year.That is a great paragraph. That must have taken a lot of time an thought to put on the interweb for everyone to read.
Just in case you forgot however, the Suns had exactly 0 players who could play (or defend) inside in the playoffs last year with their opening day Center, Power Forward and Guard watching from the front row.
No disrespect, Dallas is a rock solid team, and beat PHX fair and square last year. That said, in the immortal words of your star receiver, "get your popcorn ready". The Suns are on the verge of something special.
...Just ask Simmons
Yeah, kinda like how he said he was going to go ask Bird and Magic why the Suns were better than the Mavs.
but my daddy can beat up your daddy....i'm going to go tell!!!
I don't see you making an X's and O's argument. Just middle-school level trashtalking.
I certainly didn't forget the Suns getting their asses kicked last year. And the Suns still have exactly 0 players who can defend inside. Didn't Dirk hang 50 on Marion? Amare is an atrocious defender. Kurt Thomas getting 13 minutes a game doesn't count. And if the Suns want to put that slow stiff on the court ahead of their other three frontcourt scorers, that's fine by me.Just in case you forgot however, the Suns had exactly 0 players who could play (or defend) inside in the playoffs last year with their opening day Center, Power Forward and Guard watching from the front row.
About what? Laguna Beach? Karate Kid? The new Rocky movie?...Just ask Simmons
What, Devin Harris and Jason Terry are chopped liver? The Suns starting five averages 21 assists per game to the Mavs starters 16. Dallas's offense is basically pass the ball around, use the shotclock and find the mismatch. They don't get credited for assists when a guy receives a pass with good position and puts the ball on the floor.The interesting thing in this article is the why. He says that the Suns will win because of Diaw's PG skills, and the Mavs will lose because they don't have a distributing PG.
Depth is the key: Dallas goes 10 deep, the Suns only go 6 deep. Nash and Co. are going to be sucking wind the deeper into the playoffs they go, just like they do every year.
Hence the smiley face at the end of the sentence. It was a joke. The Simmons article, was pure hyperbole IMO. It was a fun read, but that type of article is supposed to be written after the Suns win the le...not before.Ask Simmons? You should read some of his stuff about last year's finals and get back to me. The guy, while a humorous and adept writer at times, isn't god.
That is a myth. For instance, the Suns had 7 players who played 20 or more minutes last night, the exact number the Mavs did the night before. For all intents and purposes they have an 8 man rotation when healthy. Plus they have Jumaine Jones and Jalen Rose, who both started over 40 games last year. They can go 10 deep any given night and not miss a beat.Depth is the key: Dallas goes 10 deep, the Suns only go 6 deep. Nash and Co. are going to be sucking wind the deeper into the playoffs they go, just like they do every year.
But they don't...and that's the point.
The they can...and if the Suns want to play Jumaine Jones and Jalen Rose significant minutes against us, they are more than welcome. As for them starting for Charlotte and NY/Tor last year, whatever. That's not a mark in their favor.
Here's how the mpg breaks down:
Marion 38.3
Bell 37.7
Nash 35.7
Diaw 32.6
Barbosa 30.7
Amare 29.9
Thomas 18.5
James Jones 14.5
That's Phoenix's rotation. They get 64 minutes a night from their bench. They go six deep, with Jones and Thomas the only other guys that can crack double digits in minutes played.
Dirk 36.5
Howard 35.4
Terry 34.9
Harris 26.8
Dampier 25.9
Stackhouse 23.3
George 20.8
Buckner 17.1
Diop 16.6
Johnson 15.3
Dallas has only 3 guys playing 30+ minutes a night and they get 91 minutes from their bench. Dirk would be third in mpg for Phoenix. Doesn't make much difference for a meeting during the regular season but to reach the conference finals will take about 90-95 games. I'm sure you remember Game Six when the runnin' and gunnin' Phoenix Suns were reduced to walkin' and crawlin' and gaspin' for air. The only difference in their rotation from last year is Amare in for TT. Personally I prefer it that way for Dallas. Amare isn't going to force Avery to stick Dampier on the bench because he can't guard the perimeter, and Amare gives back on defense almost as much as what he gets you offensively. D'Antoni should've drafted Marcus Williams and given out the midlevel to somebody that could actually help them. They're running roughshed over an easy schedule. Dallas is 15-6 against winning teams, Phoenix is 9-7. Dallas is 11-4 against Western playoff teams, Phoenix is 2-6.
I think you lack critical thinking skills. Nothing in your post there directly relates to what I typed. Perhaps you are just very young.
Exactly what I was thinking. And Suns fans, we won't be playing a difficult 7 game first-round series against the Rockets while you sweep the Grizzlies, should be a bit more even in that respect this season, I'm looking forward to it!
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