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    Nevermind, Jay Williams was waived due to injury, guess he is done, sad
    There's other D-League point guards out there if you want to champion one of them (Will Conroy has a thread on his behalf), so don't be sad.

    Honestly what is sad is Beno's complete meltdown as a player. I read in an ESPN chat yesterday that the game is 80% mental and I'd believe it. When Beno came into this league it seemed like he had unshakeable confidence and now he's wittled down to being counter-productive when he's on the floor (poor shooting %, turnovers, bad decisions). Pop should take it as a lesson learned that what works for some (Tony Parker) may not work for others....that's sad.

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    Jay got waived because he got hurt on the NBDL doesnt have a injury list, he was having a pretty good begining of the season, so I wont give up on him, as far as Beno, it went from me thinking his first year that every 3 he took had a chance to go in, to cringing every time I see him pull his warmups off to come into the game. I havent seen a player fall off this hard since Ed O Bannon, and its to the point where I dont think he even deserves a roster spot

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    Jay got waived because he got hurt on the NBDL doesnt have a injury list, he was having a pretty good begining of the season, so I wont give up on him, as far as Beno, it went from me thinking his first year that every 3 he took had a chance to go in, to cringing every time I see him pull his warmups off to come into the game. I havent seen a player fall off this hard since Ed O Bannon, and its to the point where I dont think he even deserves a roster spot
    The crazy thing is...

    I think if this kid were in Phoenix and they just let him jack up jumpers all the time w/ reckless abandon...he'd be scoring like crazy (think Eddie House). I think alot of it has to do with Pop coming down so hard, and rightfully so IMO, on quick shots and poor clock management.

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    So your saying wrong system, I can see that. Like I asked before though, why cant the Spurs find minutes for James White, maybe he isnt ready, but our 2 and 3s suck balls and at least he will hustle

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    The crazy thing is...

    I think if this kid were in Phoenix and they just let him jack up jumpers all the time w/ reckless abandon...he'd be scoring like crazy (think Eddie House). I think alot of it has to do with Pop coming down so hard, and rightfully so IMO, on quick shots and poor clock management.
    Beno's been chucking all season and he's shooting 35% from the field and about 10% lower from 3.

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    Wait, wait....are you saying the Spurs should play their starters MORE in order for them to be LESS tired as the game wears on? This simply defies logic, but I have to make sure that's what you're saying...

    Pay attention, please.

    The Spurs starters play fewer minutes than other team's starters; and are not conditioned to play as many minutes.

    Then the playoffs roll around and Pop increases his starter's minutes...and the Spurs run out of gas late in games, and especially in overtime against athletic teams.

    Also, if the BIG problem on this team is the bench (and it is), play the starters more - there's some time to spare, there, IMO, considering how much other teams play their starters.

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    parkers wayyyyyyy to young to be getting those kinds of minutes!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Kori,

    Great article. Congrats. Maybe you can push a little bit Pop whose job is to make sure the boys perform 100% every night...

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    Beno's been chucking all season and he's shooting 35% from the field and about 10% lower from 3.
    I see what you're saying, but I think everytime Beno shoots now he's got a mental image of Pop over his shoulder saying "DON'T TAKE THAT F*ING SHOT!" I think that'd screw anyone up. My point is that his confidence is blown because he hasn't reacted to Pop's in-your-face criticism as well as some others have (Tony/Tim). The damage is done for now, and maybe for good. I'm saying had he started out in a place that welcomes chuckers (Phoenix is the prime example) he might be productive today.

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    I see what you're saying, but I think everytime Beno shoots now he's got a mental image of Pop over his shoulder saying "DON'T TAKE THAT F*ING SHOT!" I think that'd screw anyone up. My point is that his confidence is blown because he hasn't reacted to Pop's in-your-face criticism as well as some others have (Tony/Tim). The damage is done for now, and maybe for good. I'm saying had he started out in a place that welcomes chuckers (Phoenix is the prime example) he might be productive today.
    I don't think that Beno has that image of Pop at all, seeing as Pop has given him the green light to shoot for the most part. (Though he should be making better shot selection.)

    Pop encouraged Beno a lot before he ever criticized him publically. I think the "in-your-face" criticism was his last resort with Beno. Pop doesn't handle everyone how he handles Tony.

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    Pay attention, please.

    The Spurs starters play fewer minutes than other team's starters; and are not conditioned to play as many minutes.

    Then the playoffs roll around and Pop increases his starter's minutes...and the Spurs run out of gas late in games, and especially in overtime against athletic teams.

    Also, if the BIG problem on this team is the bench (and it is), play the starters more - there's some time to spare, there, IMO, considering how much other teams play their starters.
    Honestly, you explained it much better/more clearly the second time around.

    Still, while acclamating them to increased minutes would possibly condition them to doing it in the playoffs, it also runs the possibility of tiring out come playoff time so that when those crucial games are upon them they've got nothing left. After all, they do have 40 games or so left...and that's alot of acclamating.

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    I don't think that Beno has that image of Pop at all, seeing as Pop has given him the green light to shoot for the most part. (Though he should be making better shot selection.)

    Pop encouraged Beno a lot before he ever criticized him publically. I think the "in-your-face" criticism was his last resort with Beno. Pop doesn't handle everyone how he handles Tony.
    So it doesn't strike you as odd that the monumental dip in his production coincided with Pop taking the harshest approach?

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    So it doesn't strike you as odd that the monumental dip in his production coincided with Pop taking the harshest approach?
    No. Pop called him out after he was already sucking.

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    Sit Oberto, start Elson and the Spurs go 9-0 on the rodeo trip

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    Sit Oberto, start Elson and the Spurs go 9-0 on the rodeo trip
    Have you seen him play lately? He hasn't even figured out how to set a screen.

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    No. Pop called him out after he was already sucking.
    He sucked before he even played a game (training camp)? Correct me if I'm wrong, but that is when Pop called him the team's "4th Point Guard" right? I'm sure that would instill a great level of confidence in me if Pop were my coach.

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    Have you seen him play lately? He hasn't even figured out how to set a screen.
    It's all part of the plan

    Seriously though i have seen Oberto and that guy stinks more than 12 month old prawn heads in an aussie summer

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    Spurs should have traded Udrih to the Bucks for Steve 'big shot' (as he has been dubbed in Denver, sorry Chauncey ) Blake

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    Seriously though i have seen Oberto and that guy stinks more than 12 month old prawn heads in an aussie summer
    i'm a spurs fan...but this is a hilarious quote

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    Spurs should have traded Udrih to the Bucks for Steve 'big shot' (as he has been dubbed in Denver, sorry Chauncey ) Blake
    blake is a solid PG...and boykins has flourished in Milwaukee. that trade worked out well for both teams.

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    Sit Oberto, start Elson and the Spurs go 9-0 on the rodeo trip
    It don´t really matter who´s the starter at this moment (oberto or elson).they play the same kind of minutes and they aver.the same kind of points and rebounds.eather can start,It wont change the team´s performance that much.

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    It don´t really matter who´s the starter at this moment (oberto or elson).they play the same kind of minutes and they aver.the same kind of points and rebounds.eather can start,It wont change the team´s performance that much.
    I disagree from the perspective that each offers a uniquely different set of attributes that can be utilized depending on the situation.

    I'd argue that (at least in the playoffs) the Spurs should start Oberto against a slower plodding team like the Rockets and use his offensive intellingence to their advantage, while not being a defensive liability. Against a team like the Suns, however, the Spurs should start Elson to keep up with the fast-paced transition game and abuse the smaller lineup with his length.

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    Actually this is the 2nd straight year of the crappy play from these positions.
    I've found Barry/Finley quite good in the second half of last season.
    Spurs haven't had a good backup PG for a whole season since 2003.

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    I disagree from the perspective that each offers a uniquely different set of attributes that can be utilized depending on the situation.

    I'd argue that (at least in the playoffs) the Spurs should start Oberto against a slower plodding team like the Rockets and use his offensive intellingence to their advantage, while not being a defensive liability. Against a team like the Suns, however, the Spurs should start Elson to keep up with the fast-paced transition game and abuse the smaller lineup with his length.
    I agree,Thats why I said ¨at this point¨,but when playoffs come around we´re gonna star seeing a dif.rotation,with only 8 players on it.

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    "For example, the Rockets outscored the Spurs by 14 points when Barry was on the court and outscored the Spurs by six points when Finley was on the court."

    Should we be making judgements based on one game's suspect stats?

    Doesn't the fact that Barry played twice as many minutes make a difference in the equasion here. And while Barry was shooting 50% for 8 points, Finley was shooting 2 of six (30%) for 4.

    If you assume both are the same defensively, which is the better passer and more involved in ball movement (team player). I'd rather have Barry on the floor this year based on what both have done through the season.

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