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You just made ploto's sig.
yeah.. I hear you... but, the dude kills me, he is 60ish and a big college ball watcher... he may be a good person to get draft insights from. I don't watch college ball until march madness, so I can't keep up with the guy.
You better make a new screen name where you do nothing but dog SequSpur if you plan on doing that.
You just made ploto's sig.
Quoth the Archbishop.
Devil's advocate:
He's not a good post defender. He's pretty slow. He's whiter than milk.
If Rasho came back right now, I would wear my Slovenian jersey to bed.That's my new signature.
Great, now you guys are just going to encourage Ploto.
Please....feed....me...
Rasho might be the only seven-footer on this planet who rebounds worse than the Spurs bigmen did tonight.
If Rasho came back right now, I would wear my Slovenian jersey to bed.
You sound like you've been sipping some Slovenian brandy.
I thought Rasho was your cotton candy salesman in Club 200.
The fact that he's slow is his biggest knock, IMO. I don't think he's a great post defender, but I don't think he has to be to work for the Spurs. I don't think Horry is a great post defender either. In fact, I think the only 2 players the have that are good post defenders are Duncan and then because he's good at getting position Oberto.
But the fact is that Bonner adds far more than he detracts from this team when he's on the court. I think his 3 point shot had been the most consistent when he was playing, and although slow I think he makes up for that with his flat out hustle and desire.
A player without the atheltic tools who hustles is far better than some underachieving athlete.
I still have that pint in my liquor cabinet... I don't think I'll ever open it... I show it to my friends and talk about how Slomo gave it to us.. etc. etc..
I thought Rasho was your cotton candy salesman in Club 200.
Man, when I see a guy dive on the floor it just makes me become a huge fan. I love to see the scrappieness that Bonner brings.
Bonner is that guy who if you're playing a pickup game never gets the credit he deserves because he's a goofy red headed white boy, but his teams always seem to do well.
I still have that pint in my liquor cabinet... I don't think I'll ever open it... I show it to my friends and talk about how Slomo gave it to us.. etc. etc..
We still have our Slovenian wine. No flys.
It'd be pretty sweet if Pop just gave up on this center BS and just put Duncan in the middle and rotated out Horry and Bonner. Sometimes Oberto is good but that's only when he decides to play once every dozen games or so. You can usually tell early on whether Oberto is into it or is playing like a lifeless zombie. Elson has more of an upside, but the fact that he's gotten progressively worse isn't the best of signs.
i think its time the spurs go knockin on the knicks door for white howard david lee
We're going to have to start using a frontline of Elson, Duncan and Oberto in some of these matchups, putting Elson on the SF and maybe using Duncan as the swing on offense. Against Kirilenko you have to do something like this.
I know that's sounds ridiculous and that doesn't answer Elson's D problems but this team is just not built right and that's the only way we are going to be able to handle some of these strong rebounding teams. And there is a precendent albeit a brief one, Pop did use a Perdue, Drob, Duncan frontline at times when we had all those guys.
I mean yeah they got murdered tonight, but Oberto was too damn small and slow and Elson was too light...that's a big reason why tonight happened. And Elson doesn't like banging with Big C's...that's what it is with him. That's why he's not had much of an NBA career.
And I've had enough of Jaque Vaughn as well...I'd rather have AJ, AJ now, than Jaque Vaughn. This guyy can't shoot, he can't pass, he can't do .
This thread has reached ing classic status.
Exactly. Right now the best course of action is spot time for either Oberto/Elson to spell Duncan, and Horry/Bonner sharing the 4 minutes.
Unfortunately the Spurs have a lot of holes whott - Vaughn, Finley, Barry, Beno, none belong in the rotation.
The fact this front office won't do anything to address these problems is arguably the biggest failure of the Tim Duncan era.
it would help if popovich established a solid rotation w/ those two. they should be close to splitting 48 minutes, depending on the matchup.
but pop's nonsensical lineup means no one's going to get any kind of rhythm at the center spot. the same thing that happened last year. and then when the playoffs come around, pop's going to dump even that for small ball. just watch, all of this so freaking predictible it's sad.
I just tried putting these in my sig, and I got the Blue Screen of Death.
The Spurs are simply getting what they paid for out of that position. What they saw in Oberto, I'll never know. There was a reason that Elson was 3rd string behind Camby and Nene in Denver. For the record, I still think Elson is salvagable., Oberto, I'm not so sure.
dude, you just summed up everything... this is my biggest gripe with this and I've lobbied, ed, and complained every minute of the day.
The Spurs are ed up so it's the players fault for not playing Pop's way. When the is it his fault?
I can't say Elson has upside. When you are over 30, in the NBA, and can't set a screen -- something is wrong. He doesn't know basketball basics. Sure, he can run and dunk, and he jumps really high sometimes when he doesn't have to in order to get a board. And then everyone ooohs and ahhhs, but I don't see the upside.
I keep hoping and hoping that one day something clicks in his head and he gets it, because I don't think he lacks athleticism or even the tools. But right now, he's not a good basketball player.
It's just a bad combination between the two of them. I thought each of them would have some strengths that would balance out and be "enough" (yet I also though JButler would be getting some minutes). But it's a weak, weak spot for the Spurs right now.
I expect next game Pop will probably NOT start Oberto, because you just can't ignore the ZERO boards in 23 minutes. But then, Elson will probably get abused by the Phoenix front line.
While everyone keeps worry about the backup wingspots, maybe the starting front court is a more pressing matter.
Weird people like Danny Fortson are starting to look like good targets to me.
Scary.
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