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    Been watching Milicic again tonight. He does not look good. Has a nice soft touch on his shot but is not quick and is getting dunked on by Curry all game long. Curry looks much quicker. Darko looks timid and not very agressive.

    He is always getting boxed out and most of the time his man is always on the inside closer to the basket because Darko is boxed out. He also bites on most fakes and guys get right by him. He has bad latteral quickness and doesn't look like he jumps very good (white man hops). Would rather play away from the basket. Also had at least 3 three second violations the few times I saw him in the lane. Been in the league 4 years and still doesn't know how to play.

    Does have a nice shot for a guy his size but does not look to be a strong interior defensive player. Also not agressive in getting to the ball to get rebounds.

    I don't want this project on the spurs.
    He is soft and lacks fire and drive.

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    Agreed.

    Joe D. miscalculated. He partly got rid of him to be sure the team had enough $$$ to resign Ben Wallace ... oops!

    But, as Joe D also stated, too much had happened in Detroit for it to have worked for Darko. Expectations were too high, and patience was too low. No one was willing to allow him to mature, develop and become comfortable with the culture of the NBA and America. LB was also the absolute worse coach that he could have had for his first 2 years.




    He may never live up to a #2 overall picks perceived ability/value/worth, but I still to this day believe he's going to be a very good player for a number of years. He should be a 4, not a 5 like LB wanted him to be, and what he's often playing in Orlando. He's not physical enough to battle down low on a consistent basis. Other than his blocking ability, he'll always be somewhat lacking defensively. He still thinks too much instead of reacting. Which tells me he's still not comfortable with his role.

    But he's only 21. His first 2 years were completely wasted by LB ... a coach who notoriously has failed to develop any young player as he simply wants veterans who already know how to play.

    Since day 1, I always said he's going to be a J Oneal type of player who is going to take time to grow and learn to play. For those who don't remember, in JO's 4th year, he averaged 3.9pts and 3.3rbs

    And it looks like he's starting to come around. His last 3 games (including tonights) he averaged:

    28minutes 15.6pts 6rbs 2blks 1ast FG-53% FT-68%

    I'd love to see the Pistons go after him this year even though there is absolutely zero chance he'd agree to come back
    I wouldn't want him back if he came for free. That soft loser has no heart at all. He thinks that everyone owes him something he won't earn crap.
    Blame LB if you want but Darko just never tried even when we put him in. He was to good for summer camp and big man camp. Just look at Amir how hard that kid is working will play anytime anywhere. If Darko had half of that drive he would be an allstar truth is he doesn't and will never have it.

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    Darko was many things in his time here in Detroit... but 1 thing he was not, was soft.

    Pop is the disciple of Larry: The student who greatly surpassed his master... The biggest difference between Pop and Larry is that Pop used his talent, and knew how to manage talent, and knew how to develop talent. If there is anyone who can actually do something with Darko, it is probably Pop. He will say the same things Larry did, but will allow him to fail in the game a little, before he sees if he can pick it up...

    Don't forget, Darko is one of the quickest PLAYERS in the NBA too, that includes Point Guards... Kid has talent. We just need to see if he has game too.

    The only other guy who might do something with Darko, in the lines of making him an All Star, would probably bee Phil Jackson, and to a lesser extent, Avery Johnson. Both guys aren't afraid to go deep into their bench, and shake things up.

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    Darko was many things in his time here in Detroit... but 1 thing he was not, was soft.

    Pop is the disciple of Larry: The student who greatly surpassed his master... The biggest difference between Pop and Larry is that Pop used his talent, and knew how to manage talent, and knew how to develop talent. If there is anyone who can actually do something with Darko, it is probably Pop. He will say the same things Larry did, but will allow him to fail in the game a little, before he sees if he can pick it up...

    Don't forget, Darko is one of the quickest PLAYERS in the NBA too, that includes Point Guards... Kid has talent. We just need to see if he has game too.

    The only other guy who might do something with Darko, in the lines of making him an All Star, would probably bee Phil Jackson, and to a lesser extent, Avery Johnson. Both guys aren't afraid to go deep into their bench, and shake things up.

    Yes SOFT is what he was also not a hard worker. Fast if you mean to pick up a foul. I thought he was a good passer. He will never be an allstar he has the tools but that is not enough.

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    I'll give Darko a pass on his time in Detroit. LB almost did the EXACT same thing to Sean Elliott as a young player. It probably took Sean 5-6 years to shake it off and become the All Star player that he was.

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    Did you know that some players can't function on a contending team where there are expectations placed on them? The poor dears usually wind up on middle of the road teams with no pressure or expectations.
    really Einstain??Did you know that he has been in the Serbia & Montenegro national team since he is 17 years old???+he won a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2002 in Indianapilis.
    thats not a team with out expectations dude.
    try again later.

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    really Einstain??Did you know that he has been in the Serbia & Montenegro national team since he is 17 years old???+he won a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP IN 2002 in Indianapilis.
    thats not a team with out expectations dude.
    try again later.
    You just keep looking more and more stupid. Rasho is a Slovenian national, even though he was born to Serbian Parents.

    Slovenia: Did not qualify for the 2002 world championship or the 2004 Olympics.

    Primoz Brezec (Charlotte Bobcats)
    Beno Udrih (Spurs)
    Rasho Nesterovic (Raptors)
    link to USAToday article

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    You just keep looking more and more stupid. Rasho is a Slovenian national, even though he was born to Serbian Parents.


    link to USAToday article
    well,excuse me but you were talking about MILICIC!!!!!!Ainstain,not rasho

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    Oh, and before I forget:

    PZWN3D, .

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    Oh, and before I forget:

    PZWN3D, .
    you canīt stand me knowing more BB tham you ,huh?

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    I would take the mo fo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    he would not fit in. don't we need victories to utilize the victory cigar?

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    well,excuse me but you were talking about MILICIC!!!!!!Ainstain,not rasho
    If you look back at exstatic's reply to remingtonbo2001, he was indeed referring to Rasho.

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    First KVH, now Darko...not a good sign Spurs fans!!

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    Yes SOFT is what he was also not a hard worker. Fast if you mean to pick up a foul. I thought he was a good passer. He will never be an allstar he has the tools but that is not enough.
    You obviously missed the 3 times he played:

    Kid has a mean streak like you wouldn't believe.

    Remember the time he was voted by the opposition to shoot free throws for someone... he waved the 'choke' sign, and sunk them both...

    He was a shot blocking machine here... the 3 times he played...

    Soft he was not. Arrogant and a poor work ethic, I'll give you that. A poor shot, I'll give you that too. Bad at ude, maybe... but soft he was not.

    Quick to get fouls... sure, but he was also the fastest guy on the floor, and got to the other side before Rip did in transition... One of the fastest players in the NBA, including guards...

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    Pop would have him on the inactive list within a week with his on/off (mostly off) effort.

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    Pop would have him on the inactive list within a week with his on/off (mostly off) effort.
    Pop would have him on IL, because Pop is not able to develop young players. Afterall, Larry Brown was his mentor.

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    Pop would have him on IL, because Pop is not able to develop young players. Afterall, Larry Brown was his mentor.
    Yes because Tony Parker didn't start 4 games into his rookie season, and Ginobili wasn't a rotation player as a rookie, and Devin wasn't a rotation player in his second year. Pop NEVER develops young talent.
    Pop is a disciple of LB. He's also a disciple of Nellie, yet, somehow, the Spurs manage to PLAY some ing defense. It's not all about imitation...

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    You obviously missed the 3 times he played:

    Kid has a mean streak like you wouldn't believe.

    Remember the time he was voted by the opposition to shoot free throws for someone... he waved the 'choke' sign, and sunk them both...

    He was a shot blocking machine here... the 3 times he played...

    Soft he was not. Arrogant and a poor work ethic, I'll give you that. A poor shot, I'll give you that too. Bad at ude, maybe... but soft he was not.

    Quick to get fouls... sure, but he was also the fastest guy on the floor, and got to the other side before Rip did in transition... One of the fastest players in the NBA, including guards...
    Are you talking about the game he started in Atlanta? If so yes he did look good. I think we can agree that he does some good things but until his at ude changes he will never be great.

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    Yes because Tony Parker didn't start 4 games into his rookie season, and Ginobili wasn't a rotation player as a rookie, and Devin wasn't a rotation player in his second year. Pop NEVER develops young talent.
    Pop is a disciple of LB. He's also a disciple of Nellie, yet, somehow, the Spurs manage to PLAY some ing defense. It's not all about imitation...
    Ginobili was not young player as he came to NBA. He already was internatiol star and experienced player.
    Parker is just an exception. Parker would be 2nd string guard at best (if Spurs would extend his contract), if FO would manage to bring Kidd to Spurs. Don't you remember? Pop didn't recognized all-star potential in Parker, he wanted Kidd. We are just lucky, that Parker has character as he has,and that he hasn't chrusher under Pop's pressure.

    Can you name anyone else? Pop (or FO) is constantly trading picks, Pop is not interested in development of young players at all. He wants just experienced veterans, does NVE bust rings any bells?
    Duncan would be instant all-star under any coach in any team in his rookie year.

    Beno is typical example. He showed more than enough talent in his rookie season to become more than solid 2nd string PG. Pop didn't care about his development, he rather brought NVE. Where is Beno know?

    Pop also let Devin Brown went. Why exactly? Back problems, lack of athlecism, lack of hard work? No, he was to young to build instant championship team. How does Devin look today?

    How do Spurs look today? Old and unmotivated! That is Pop's responsibility!

    Pop WAS a great coach! He has no more fuel left, no new ideas (except stupid ones - Parker shot too much).

    Pop must leave the bench!

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    If it's possible.... do it. Even without Manu, Beno or TP...

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    Pop also let Devin Brown went. Why exactly? Back problems, lack of athlecism, lack of hard work?
    Yes, no, yes.
    No, he was to young to build instant championship team. How does Devin look today?
    Funny, I remember Devin on the floor after game 7 in 2005. That was pretty "instant". Today? He looks more motivated. The reason he wasn't on the floor after game 6 in 2003 was that he was CUT for constantly being late for practice and having poor work habits.
    Beno is typical example. He showed more than enough talent in his rookie season to become more than solid 2nd string PG. Pop didn't care about his development, he rather brought NVE. Where is Beno know?
    You people want championships, yet don't understand why Pop shies away from a PG that can't bring the ing ball up the court in the Finals? Beno damn near cost us that series.

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    Yes, no, yes.

    Funny, I remember Devin on the floor after game 7 in 2005. That was pretty "instant". Today? He looks more motivated. The reason he wasn't on the floor after game 6 in 2003 was that he was CUT for constantly being late for practice and having poor work habits.

    You people want championships, yet don't understand why Pop shies away from a PG that can't bring the ing ball up the court in the Finals? Beno damn near cost us that series.
    So, who or what motivates a player? I guess coach has much to do with motivation.

    It is 2007 and you still can't forget finals from 2005? So rookie can costs team, as SA was in 2005, a championship? Rookie? Give me a break!

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    So, who or what motivates a player? I guess coach has much to do with motivation.
    Pop can't go to his crib and set the alarm clock for him so he'll be on time for practice. I'd say if you want to be a Spur, you had better damn well motivate yourself.

    My point, being lost in all of this, is that Larry Brown wouldn't have played ANY of those players: Manu, Tony, or Devin. Pop is NOT L.B.

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    Pop can't go to his crib and set the alarm clock for him so he'll be on time for practice. I'd say if you want to be a Spur, you had better damn well motivate yourself.

    My point, being lost in all of this, is that Larry Brown wouldn't have played ANY of those players: Manu, Tony, or Devin. Pop is NOT L.B.
    larry Brown never played a guy like Delfino while he was in detroit.What an Ass H***e

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