Reply With Quote
again ignore the rushing statistics. He's not the prototypical "white" QB.
Race card totally pulled. VY is a rookie who played only 12 games and went off in most of those games, though a lot of it had to do with his ability to run.
Rushing is a statistic you Drew Bledsoe lovers.
again ignore the rushing statistics. He's not the prototypical "white" QB.
not to mention carr, gerrard and plummer, please
ulative of nine random games(starts) from this Pro Bowl resume:
44 rushes 234 yards 5.3 AVG
4 TDs
103 completions 224 Attempts
46% Completion %
1253 Passing Yards
5.6 YPA
5 TDs 7 INTS
WOW. He really went off. Averaging 139 passing yards AND 26 rushing yards in 69% of his starts , all the while completing 46% of his passes? Mind-boggling.
He had 4 very good games(Texans, Bills, NYG, Colts) and the rest is crap.
He didn't even complete 50% of his passes in 6 of his starts and that's Pro Bowl material? C'mon, if these stats were attached to David Carr's name or Joey Harrington's, we'd all agree that there's no way in those are Pro Bowl worthy.
Last edited by DisgruntledLionFan#54,927; 02-07-2007 at 07:17 PM.
why all the hate for Vince Young? the guy has done nothing but win. and im not sure what makes you think hes so arrogant and stuff. and have you heard about the story of what happened to him when he was a little kid? someone hit him with a car, and nearly killed him, as the handlebar of the bike got jammed in his stomach, and he was hospitalized for months. doctors thought he may never fully recover either, and have some serious health problems growing up. the guy has incredible heart, determination, and is a winner. nothing more, nothing less.
i didnt call you an idiot. i said if you truly believe guys like David Carr, Jake Plummer, and JP Losman is more deserving of a Pro Bowl birth than VY, then you are an idiot. im not entirely sure what your actual stance is on that, especially since you said you are "reaching for an argument". however, im thinking that deep down, you know that he deserves to be there more than those guys.
I already mentioned that disgruntled. I realize his passing stats werent that great, for a rookie. But I wont mention Peytons stats or Donovons stats their rookie years either. But you do have to take into account his rushing ability being able to take over a game. He averaged more than two 1st downs a game rushing, that makes a huge difference on the defense.
if you take out any qbs best 4 games their stats arent impressive either, especially when they didnt start the whole season. Anyway youre arguing that the likes of david carr, david gerrard, damon huart, joey harrington, jp losman, charlie frye are better
I never mentioned any of those QBs. Just Pennington.
alright pennington got "snuffed" badly
If you add Vinces rushing tds, he had 2 more tds in 3 less games. And I just went through the game logs myself, I counted 6 good games, and the game against Baltimore considering who he was playing did great, 211 passing yards, 1 pick, 40 rushing and a td. What exactly cons utes a good game to you?
He did great against the Skins, then Baltimore in week 10, did ok against the Eagles week after that, kicked the out of the Giants after that, then Indy, Houston and Buffalo. You want this guy to be Dan Marino or what? He is a ing rookie, and we wouldnt even be having this converstation if the FIRST THREE CANDIDATES turned it down
I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ALL VINCE YOUNG HATERS:
Would you agree his presence on the field changes the scheme a defensive coordinator would have going into a football compe ion versus his scheme against a quarterback who is not a running threat?
The fact of the matter is that Vince Young (so far[!!!]) is what people expected Michael Vick to be. When Michael Vick came into this game everyone said he would change the way the game was played, change the outlook; in essence, cause a ruckus in the NFL by preying on defensive coordinators' lack of experience versus such a threat. Michael Vick is still that guy but none of you haters truely believe Vince Young is a worse asset to an offensive attack than Michael Vick? If you say MV is better in this sense (not in a QB rating ability) then you are flat out wrong. Any GM in this ing league would take VY over MV. So, moving on, we have Vincent Young, a quarterback who is like an exaggerated Michael Vick. Noone is saying anything about stats here, I am focusing solely on an offensive impact, and the resulting impact on a defensive coordinator's plan....
When it comes down to it, playing against VY is tantamount to pissing in the opposing defensive coordinator's Kool-Aid. If any of you haters truely watched the games televised, he may not get the yards to be expected watching Vick, but he is smart about how to use his feet....basically primarily uses it to wear out a defense. He uses it to set up his team. He never really wants to use his running to win a game unless his team is down and needs it. And that is a risk cuz the defense expects it. But history has already proven this kid has a RIDICULOUS clutch factor, and even though a defense knows he will take over in the 4th when his team is down, he has a strong chance of overcoming the predictability factor.
Ya'll have to give the kid credit, he changed the way the game is played as a rookie, and will only get better, further changing it. He will never have a great QB rating, but his Touchdowns (points: the means by which a game is won) and overall win record will show this. Stat freaks, keep on spouting stats, but this kid is going to change the game.
I bet he keeps his QB rating, it, lets say his QB rating gets worse next season, but his WL record improves. What will you stat freaks say then???
PLUS, NFL naturally wants ratings, and VY will eat up slacking pro bowl veterans for breakfast. LOL.
Last edited by Cant_Be_Faded; 02-07-2007 at 09:44 PM.
Why is it always "hating on VY"? The numbers are for a Pro Bowl QB, even the 5th-6th alternate.
IMO, there was a better alternative. Better stats, better W/L record and showed more consistency throughout the year. Apparently, that's racist hating...
I'm not saying VY is deserving of this pro bowl selection but the degree of 'hating on vy' has reached more extremes and is not stopping
its ridiculous
He's a texas boy. He does the damn thing. How can you hate that?
who gives a ?, its the probowl, you think VY thinks hes clearly better than Roethlisberger or Pennington? there are a lot more deserving players who get passed over every year for the probowl, chad pennington is a bad example
Fair enough.
I don't really care either way.
yeah at least youre not for the hpv vaccine
What if VY is?
VY is hardcore cons utionalist patriot, for tax honesty, against tyranny, globalization, and the new world order
Here's the link to VY's stats http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/424340. Anyone who tries to make those very impressive "rookie" numbers bad is and always was a hater. More than likely they are "racist" and think a quarterback should be a white stiff.
I swear, VY jock riders are funny. Who said they were horrid rookie numbers? And why would anyone need to make them look bad? They are what they are.
The discussion was Pro Bowl, being a rookie has nothing to do with it. It isn't a big deal. Some think he is deserving, others don't. Hate isn't involved at all unless you don't have any other argument...
Actually, people VY haters that have been anally raped and made look silly by VY WINNING is even funnier. It is like the VY haters are trying to get their manhood back but keep failing, in College, In the Pros...
So VY and Rex Grossman should both be locks, correct?
More so than the other guys people on this thread have been bringing up, like Pennington, Roethlisburger and Losman. If he had been the first guy picked, I would understand why people are talking so much , but he was the 4th guy on the list, so all these little talkers either dont know football, dont understand math, or just hate Vince so much they just end up sounding ignorant.
There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)
Posting Permissions
