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Except Beno wasn't a 21 year old with very little experience last year.
No one says Butler is awesome, but most GMs in the league thinks he is a good young prospect.
Give the guy a chance at least before you call him trash.
All of you all sound exactly like all the Beno lovers did last year
Except Beno wasn't a 21 year old with very little experience last year.
No one says Butler is awesome, but most GMs in the league thinks he is a good young prospect.
Give the guy a chance at least before you call him trash.
I hope he turns into our Bynum.
you n serious, anywhere or half of it and i be happy
we gotto get some fat to train his ass
i say if all this doesnt work out, i say we ship him + barry + beno + oberto to seatle for wilcox + lewis
Jackie > Moses Malone.
Bynum is being trained by Jabbar. while Yao by former Knick Ewing.
who's training Jackie Butler? May i ask who, Mr. Holt?
i wish DRob a once DPOY could help train Butler too!
Tim Duncan?
Cadillac Anderson?
yeah, that comment confused me. I was looking for Ducks response.
I completely disagree.
First of all he doesn't look fat. So people should probably stop calling him fat ass.
He just basically looks like a guy who is hesitant to do anything wrong and is still learning. The only person that really looked to get it to him was Tim.
The guards got it to him twice and he dished it back out (like he was supposed to) when the D came and got two assists.
He's not going to play this year, he's on the Stephen Jackson plan. So I don't get the point of starting a thread like this anyway when it's already talked about in the game blog.
I completely agree with Kori on this all the way...He looks like he's getting in shape. I loved that Pop put him in there with Timmy on the floor, too. It looked like Timmy was trying to show him some love and give him a feel for what it's like playing in the system, rather than the normal "garbage" time he's seen so far this year. When Butler came in he was the only guy not in the normal rotation, so there is an obvious plan in the works to get him adapted to the Spurs' system (and how to learn to execute it in an actual NBA game, not just practice or garbage).
They did show a few lapses tonight, but overall it was a great performance. Someone posted a few weeks ago that it'll be a good sign when Spurs fans watch a game and notice those few lapses rather than the few good streaks. Albeit, the Nets are hurting right now (no Kidd, R-Jeff nor Kristic), it was good to see them execute well for the majority of the game...the biggest lapse I saw was in the first 5 minutes of the third quarter. I think they had four turnovers -- all unforced.
Although the beard could use some work (please just trim the pony tail on the chin), it's good to see the team click well enough to where they can let JB get some playing time with guys like the Big Three. He did miss his shots, but he looked good otherwise. The shots should come with the confidence that is provided from more time on the court.
After all, I did notice him manage to draw a double-team a few times in which he was able to recognize it and either start a drive or kick it out. If he's going to kick it out, he will need to let the double commit first, but I think he was just a little anxious being out there.
Props to Pop for not forgetting about a guy who some coaches would "lose" at the end of the bench...it was a good time to let him in, and even better to keep him (and the others, like Beno) when the Nets made a short run to cut it to 14. Showing trust in those guys on the floor can only build the confidence they need.
-- now raising a beer to Kori's insight as well as the hope of salvaging this trip at .500! --
Agreed. He looked timid, which is no suprise because he hasn't been in many game situations in this system. No matter how much practice this guy gets, he'll need to get his feet wet in real game situations before he's comfortable.
I completely disagree.
First of all he doesn't look fat. So people should probably stop calling him fat ass.
He just basically looks like a guy who is hesitant to do anything wrong and is still learning. The only person that really looked to get it to him was Tim.
The guards got it to him twice and he dished it back out (like he was supposed to) when the D came and got two assists.
He's not going to play this year, he's on the Stephen Jackson plan. So I don't get the point of starting a thread like this anyway when it's already talked about in the game blog.
Positives:
- Looked comfortable once he got the ball in the post (nice kickout to the open player on the elbow)
- Aggressive on defense (had two good shot block attempts)
Negatives:
- Did seem a bit lost on switches and didn't know his opposing player (Nachbar is a shooter, not slasher)
- Was aggressive on the boards, but rarely found himself in position
Bottom Line: He's got some work to do, but he's far from "garbage"
Agree bigtime. I've said before that in New York he used his weight to establish position in the post for scoring and rebounding. Now that he's lost alot of that weight, there's going to be an adjustment period.
He didn't look "Elson" skinny, but he looked to be in pretty good shape to me.
Tapes of Moses Malone
i don't say the guy is a bust nor a future hall of famer i will just note his performance last night in 10 minutes. And i think we all can see why oberto bonner horry and elson are ahead of him in the rotation. All of these guys rebound better and rebounding is our problem and butler in what he showed showed no sign he could help..he's really slow and doesn't hustle..his bb iq seems also very low..but i guess he's a project and next year he will progress..but still i think we should stop the free jackie butler threads...
In fairness, the Nets went small when Butler was in there with Timmy and then with Oberto. The Nets cut the lead to 14 after Nachbar hit that corner jumper on Butler. However, Pop called time, looked at his coaches and (reading his lips) said "let's go small". Pop left Jackie in there to match with the Nets' Big (Boone) and replaced Oberto with Jacque Vaughn, plus Beno, Fin and Brent. The crowd even started yelling defense because of the mini-comeback, however Pop leaving Butler in with that cast was obviously intended for developmental purposes and not garbage.
One of the very few times something on the Internet has actually made me laugh out loud
Here is Jackie Butler (pictured with Damon Jones) from last year when he was on the Knicks.
are the Spurs really looking to bring back SJAX?
please God let this happen
The "Stephen Jackson Plan" is referring to a method of development. S-Jax rode the pine for a year before he got serious consideration for minutes and a spot in the rotation.
Similarly, Jackie Butler (and James White as well) will probably play very sparingly, if at all, this season, and will get their opportunity in Summer League and training camp to prove they deserve some minutes and/or a spot in the rotation.
SJax rode the pine wearing civilians for practically a whole year before he got some run...it was the year after that, when Manu came in, is where he started to make those rainbow 3's that we miss time to time.
I know the Knicks weren't as good a team last year as the Spurs are but how or why did L. Brown (who basically hates rookies and inexperienced players) find the minutes to put him on the Court?
I HAVE WATCHED EVERY ONE OF THE 37 minutes he's played in a Spurs uni. He's out of sorts on both ends of the court...and my point is that's FINE if he's new to the team. I'd EXPECT Melvin Ely to be out of sorts his first 37 minutes on the team IF he hadnt had time to study/practice with the team...
...IT'S FEBRUARY. He has no excuse to not know where to be in the defensive rotations by now. Or AT WORST not just be standing in the paint looking at the other 9 players on the floor. He seems like a loss.
Let me fill in for Sequ: "Butler Blows"
Box scores from NYK games versus the Spurs last season. Butler was pretty decent in the game in NY but he was really quite good in the one in SA (I witnessed that game first hand).
http://www.nba.com/games/20051221/SASNYK/boxscore.html
http://www.nba.com/games/20060227/NYKSAS/boxscore.html
I still have both games on tape and watched them a lot when the Spurs signed him to an offer sheet.
I didn't like what I saw in those games and thus didn't favor his signing (still better than Oberto though). He was beat up and down the court by Oberto pretty badly, which is hard to do. And he had very little lift and just seemed to be a garbage-bucket getting guy.
But after watching the tape of last night's game I think he's made some good progress this year. He was definitely lighter and moved quicker, though he still has the running gait of a fatman. He contested shots that came to the lane (a breath of fresh air, lol), helped baseline when guys were funneled there, put a body on guys to box out, passed servicably . . . the only thing he didn't do was knock down his shots. All that while having to perform in the helter-skelter environment of a benchclearing blowout where both teams play sloppy or out of their normal play.
I'd still rather see Butler get force-fed minutes than watch Oberto do his routine.
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