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I'm actually waiting to hear back from the NSA and Naval Intelligence, among others.WHY AREN'T ALL OF YOU IN THE ING MILITARY? WHY DON'T YOU GO SIGN UP?
Oh, and if I read one more ing "go join the war" from you s...
WHY AREN'T ALL OF YOU IN THE ING MILITARY? WHY DON'T YOU GO SIGN UP?
DON'T DICTATE TO ANYONE ELSE THAT THEY SHOULD JOIN UNTIL YOU TAKE YOUR GUNG HO LETS KILL THEM ALL AT UDE STRAIGHT TO A ING RECRUITER.
I'm actually waiting to hear back from the NSA and Naval Intelligence, among others.WHY AREN'T ALL OF YOU IN THE ING MILITARY? WHY DON'T YOU GO SIGN UP?
A ingmen. Someone finally putting their ass where their mouth is.
I respect that AHF. Intelligence is really where we need more quality people.
Yeah and it'd probably be a done deal if I could find someplace in this state to learn some Arabic. Learning it on my own right now.
Exactly why I want to take classes in it. There are so few ing places to do so though.
A series of television pool images shot by NBC shows a U.S. Marine shooting dead a wounded and unarmed Iraqi in a Falluja mosque November 13, 2004. U.S. Marines rallied round the Marine now under investigation for killing the Iraqi during the offensive in Falluja, saying he was probably under combat stress in unpredictable, hair-trigger cir stances. Photo by Reuters TV/Reuters
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A Marine can be heard saying on the pool footage provided to Reuters Television: "He's ing faking he's dead."
"The Marine then raises his rifle and fires into the man's head," Sites said.
NBC said the Marine, who had reportedly been shot in the face himself the previous day, said immediately after the shooting: "Well, he's dead now."
Hey thanks Dan, hadn't seen that yet
In other news, the aid worker woman Hasson got her brains blown out by some sackless wonder hiding behind a mask. Where's your outrage on that.
Manny -
There is an Islamic center over in the Medical district on the Northwest side that supposedly teaches Arabic on Sunday and Mondays (I found the link last week, haven't called to confirm yet - am learning the alphabet on my own first so I have a little bit of a base to go on).
I have seen that place before. It's off Medical Drive.Hey thanks Dan, hadn't seen that yet
In other news, the aid worker woman Hasson got her brains blown out by some sackless wonder hiding behind a mask. Where's your outrage on that.
Manny -
There is an Islamic center over in the Medical district on the Northwest side that supposedly teaches Arabic on Sunday and Mondays (I found the link last week, haven't called to confirm yet - am learning the alphabet on my own first so I have a little bit of a base to go on).
That wasn't the case in the event I was refering too. The booby-trap was setup on a dead body. This guy could have been booby-trapped or even possibly trying to set one off. Even if that wasn't the case he was a threat not long before this incident and was killed because he appeared to be a continued threat.
The booby trap concern on near dying insurgents was that in their last gasps they'd pull the pin on a grenade and take another marine or two with them.
The booby trapped dead body incident was reported to have happened once. So now its OK to shoot at every Iraqi before we determine if they are combatants or not?The booby trap concern on near dying insurgents was that in their last gasps they'd pull the pin on a grenade and take another marine or two with them.
Case in point:
"He's ing pretending he's dead!" I'd of done the same thing..."One of the situational dangers of the battlefield was illustrated by the death of a California Marine. The Mercury News reports:"
That was his son.
Who says we're shooting at every Iraqi? The guy the Marine capped had been injured in a firefight minutes before with Marines. Just because the guy put the gun down when he got shot doesn't make him a civilian all of a sudden.So now its OK to shoot at every Iraqi before we determine if they are combatants or not?
Damn Dan, you really can't be this stupid, can you?
Nope, just makes him a wounded, unarmed Iraqi. You guys are bashing the out of Dan for what I see as a legitimate issue. Your big comeback is "Well, they're doing bad things, too!". Aren't we supposed to be better than our opponents and take the moral high ground?Just because the guy put the gun down when he got shot doesn't make him a civilian all of a sudden.
Moral highground? You can't tell which side holds the moral highground in this conflict?
Guess what? You have a re ed sense of right and wrong.
Please leave the thinking to those with a brain.
And please stop acting like these are merely an opposing force with an equally justified POV and tactics.
These guys wear no uniform, they fight under no flag, they deliberately target and murder unarmed civillians, they fight using guerilla and terrorist methods and they use civillians as shields. On top of that their leader has said they welcome death over surrender.
And if I was fighting I'd probably prefer to have that trigger happy Marine getting my back over someone like yourself or Dan, who have no sense of right or wrong.
What does this have to do with moral high ground?
Dan is sitting here saying that an insurgent who was 5 minutes earlier shooting at the Marines somehow becomes a civilian because he puts his gun down.
That's bull .
As for the situation with the Marine, I stand by what I've been saying on here for days. We're fighting an enemy that acts a lot like Japan in WWII. There will be no surrender, just glory in death flighting.
There were 22,000 Japanese troops on Iwo Jima, we only took 260 prisoners. We were facing a deadly invasion of Japan, two nukes prevented that from happening.
Admiral Halsey said it best on how to win: you kill them, kill them some more, and then you keep killing them until they no longer have the will to fight.
That's what it's going to take in Iraq with the insurgents, and it's what it is going to take against Osama and AQ worldwide.
My only fault with the Marine is for not killing the POS in the first place.
Ex, I am not bringing that up. None of us know all the cir stances. I agree it should be looked into. But if some one was in or around my house, had been shooting at me just before, and moved an inch, I could not tell you that I wouldn't pull the trigger at that moment. It's very hard to understand being here back home. War has a strange logic to it. When some one is doing their best to kill you, you might just react differently.
Everything.What does this have to do with moral high ground?
I think it has a lot more to do with Monday Morning Quarterbacking... but let's see what comes of the investigation.
Well, they won't show us the actual video, but if he did what they say he did (and they do have video), he's toast, burnt toast. Kansas sucks, and he'll find that out over a long period of time.
They have shown the actual video. The Marine thought he was faking death, said so, the man continued to move and the Marine shot him. Cut and dried...the man was unarmed, but the Marine thought he was faking death, said so, and then shot him right in front of an imbed. Other wounded in the room were not shot because they identified themselves and their condition. This guy didn't. If these terrorists were fighting conventionally this probably doesn't happen. However since they have been booby trapping their own dead and using suicide attacks...I don't blame that Marine for erring on the side of caution.
One less terrorist in the world. Good job Marine.
Perhaps this is why?
Poor example, Joe. Not even close. Dude was unarmed, on the ground with two in him.
You at least get slack, though, sticking up for a fellow Marine.
The point I was trying to make is that the insurgents use different tactics and by no means will I defend a fellow Marine when he is in the wrong.
It takes big juevos to stand up against a fellow Marine believe me I know.
But I totally agree with the image and it's meaning.
You're moving through the city taking fire from multiple locations. You and your buddies get into a firefight with a group of fighters in a house up ahead. After say 30 minutes of intense shooting you finaly make your way to the house where a lot of the lead was coming from. You and your group start going through the house room by room. You hear noises coming from a back room down a hall way. Careful checking every nook and cranny you enter the room. You see several people in the room lying about. Some moaning coming from the one to your right against the wall. Your squad mate to your right and behind keeps him covered while you refocus your attention to the two other persons lying on the floor in front of you. In the distance you can hear gunfire erupting in small bursts very clearly despite all the noise of the gear from your squad as they move through the house. You call out to the other two men on the floor. One lies motionless in a pool of his own blood. Deciding he is dead, you call out again to the other. You can see his body compressing rapidly as he breathes. He doesn't respond to your shouting. You call out again to him even louder. Nothing. His right arm shifts slightly, but it is obscured by his body. You take your M16 to sights and tense for who knows what. You call out again at what is the top of your lungs. He moves his arm again. (This next part happens in less than 4 tenths of a second Spurs fans.) As you see his arm move, it may just be in your mind, but you swear you hear a click or scrape. You see a strange shadow near his hand, his body shifts ever so slightly. Your eyes focus and refocus in an instant. What do you see? You begin, no only start to think about shouting again. He moves more of his arm as it slides ever so slightly under him. What is he doing? Doesn't he understand? Does he have something under him? Your finger tightens on the trigger. You pull the butt of the gun tight to your shoulder. His arm is still moving. BANG!!! BANG!!! He is dead. His body tenses and the releases all in one motion. Your buddies check their rifles around the room and back to the guy on the floor to your right. After more than minute you finally let the gun rest free of your shoulder. Your squad secures the other wounded fighter and checks both of the other bodies for weapons. Nothing was on them. They had dropped what they had when they were hit minutes before. You have killed an unarmed man. You don't have that sense of better him than you. You are only glad to be alive.
Is this so cut and dry? I don't believe it is. Video just can't capture what is going on in a person's head. It can't capture the stresses involved nor the tension that hangs in the air over every step these soldiers take.
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