Still haunting them?

[clambake]

The only way to defend against Tarpley was with a line of cocaine.

[Findog]

I repect the out of Mav fans that have stuck with them through the years. I used to drive up with my dad to see Spur games in Dallas in the mid 90s, and there werent ever fans there, even prompting my dad to wonder once how they kept that franchise their. I hate the guy, but I have to give it up to Cuban for seeing something in the city and franchise that no one else saw. I am happy for all the true Mav fans that you finally get to see your franchise on top, and I guess we shall see what happens in the playoffs!

The only thing that ever came close to shaking my faith and convincing me to throw in the towel on being a Mavs fan was the Kidd trade when the ownership situation was in flux and the GM was a ing used car salesman (I you not!) I can't believe that in a power struggle between arguably the best PG in the game and Jim Cleamons, they sided with Jim Cleamons. Of course the ironic thing is that it was Kidd and garbage for Finley, the virgin and Sam Cassell. They actually ended up getting 80 cents on the dollar for Kidd. And who knows if the Mavs would've won a le with Kidd. They certainly wouldn't have been in a position to get Dirk if they had kept Kidd. So I guess it worked out.

[monosylab1k]

Cant say I agree with you on your analysis of Jimmy or Jamal. Jamal was a career 19 points a game, and was injured the entire next year you speak of, the same year that Jimmy averager almost 20 a game, so niether were exposed. I agree that the franchise wasnt getting better, and Kidd and Jackson were always fighting, but the Mavs traded Mash and Kidd in seperate deals that pretty much got them Finley, and thats about it. Jackson, Cassel and Gatling for Bradley? Yeah it eventually worked out, but you cant tell me that trading those players did anything for the franchise.

You forgot that the season after recovering from the injury, Jamal Mashburn averaged 11 ppg and pouted until Nellie traded him away. The guy can shoot but that's was just about his only skill. Jim Jackson was also regressing with each year. Mash, JJ, and Kidd were too immature, and all three thought they were superstars when only one of them really was. The chemistry just wasn't there with those three, and Nellie trading them away was the smartest thing he could have done. If he kept them there, the Mavs would have toiled with 35-45 wins each year, never would have been a contender, and we never would have been in position to get Dirk or felt the need to trade for Nash.

[monosylab1k]

Good Lord. Somebody else who has suffered through Mike Iuzzolino, Greg Dreiling, Randy White, Walter Bond and Doug Smith. It's hard having to share this special season with the bandwagoners, you know, the kind of people who post things like "MAVERCICKS R THU SHIZNITT! DIRK RULEZ!!!! THE HEAT!"""" I went to the game last nite, I would say a good 2/3s of the people at the AAC are bandwagoners. Our home crowd sucks -- they don't show up until halfway through the 1st quarter and they started clearing out with 3 minutes left thinking the game was over.

Yeah it's weird, but there's definitely some pride in being able to say that we were there and suffered through the dark days of the Mavericks. Days when, even though it defied all logic, we hoped that just MAYBE Cherokee Parks or Samaki Walker would figure it out.

What's sad is that probably more Spurs fans know who Leon Smith is than Mavs fans these days.

[jacobdrj]

Well, when we are talking about the Mavs, we are talking about a relatively fresh franchise that didn't exactly take the league by storm until the Cuban era...

It is one thing to stick by your school team, even when they're down. You certainly shouldn't abandon your team, even in the Pros, if it is obvious that the team is trying to win... it is wholly something else when dumb fans specifically support their team basked on their loosing (Cubs) or support a team that does not support them back (Clippers). And it is the responsibility of fans to NOT support teams that are just inept, or otherwise change will never happen (Knicks, Lions).

[mardigan]

Yeah it's weird, but there's definitely some pride in being able to say that we were there and suffered through the dark days of the Mavericks. Days when, even though it defied all logic, we hoped that just MAYBE Cherokee Parks or Samaki Walker would figure it out.

What's sad is that probably more Spurs fans know who Leon Smith is than Mavs fans these days.

Thats cause the Spurs drafted him, then traded him for the rights to Giricek. Damn, thats another sad story...

[monosylab1k]

And it is the responsibility of fans to NOT support teams that are just inept, or otherwise change will never happen (Knicks, Lions).

Oh there's definitely a difference between not supporting your team, and being a bandwagoner for sure. The thing is, with the Lions fans putting paper bags over their heads and walking out of games, they're doing it BECAUSE they're true fans. When the Mavs go 20-62 and the only Reunion Arena game that sells out is the Bulls, and 90% of the crowd is cheering for Jordan, that's just pathetic.

BTW that was one of my favorite Mavs moments, even to this day. The night when Michael Finley, Cedric Ceballos, and the lowly little Mavericks beat Jordan and the mighty Chicago Bulls.

[mardigan]

Oh there's definitely a difference between not supporting your team, and being a bandwagoner for sure. The thing is, with the Lions fans putting paper bags over their heads and walking out of games, they're doing it BECAUSE they're true fans. When the Mavs go 20-62 and the only Reunion Arena game that sells out is the Bulls, and 90% of the crowd is cheering for Jordan, that's just pathetic.

BTW that was one of my favorite Mavs moments, even to this day. The night when Michael Finley, Cedric Ceballos, and the lowly little Mavericks beat Jordan and the mighty Chicago Bulls.

Yeah when you start wearing bags on your head and talk about your team, its because you love them so much or else you wouldnt go through all the trouble. Ill admit, the year before the Spurs got Timmy and they went 20-62, I didnt watch as many games as usual, but I realized that you just have to have faith

[monosylab1k]

Yeah when you start wearing bags on your head and talk about your team, its because you love them so much or else you wouldnt go through all the trouble. Ill admit, the year before the Spurs got Timmy and they went 20-62, I didnt watch as many games as usual, but I realized that you just have to have faith

That's the difference between a true fan and a bad one. Most Mavs "fans" will be rooting for the Lakers the next time the Mavs have a bad year.

[mardigan]

All these new Mav fans give true ones like you a bad name, I think thats why Spur fans have started hating so much, because for every smart fan like you there are 10 dip fans

[monosylab1k]

All these new Mav fans give true ones like you a bad name, I think thats why Spur fans have started hating so much, because for every smart fan like you there are 10 dip fans

Yeah unfortunately it's true. I think the big barometer was the whole Finley situation. Someone who followed the Mavs for a long time and was a true fan that knew everything he did for our organization would never boo Finley in a million years. Unfortunately, they booed him big time in the playoffs, and i guess said some dirty things to him as well. People tried to use the "Dirk told us to boo him!" excuse, but anybody with a brain knows that Dirk was being tongue-in-cheek when he said it.

I'll engage in talk with Spurs fans and Suns fans all day long, but in the end, I'll criticize the out of my own team if it's warranted, and I think i see things fairly realistically (haha i hope).

I think that maybe alot of these Mavs fans now might be kids that might have been a little too young to be big Mavs fans back in the day, but now they are. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they'll remain true fans. But the majority of Dallas is definitely filled with bag bandwagonners.

[mardigan]

That was really disgusting when the Mavs fans booed him, kind of made me hate them for the first time in my life.

[Horry For 3!]

Popeye Jones was the best, no athletic ability or muscles, all hustle

I will still remember this... it was the Spurs vs Mavs. I was 11 years old. I was sitting in the nose bleed section because we got free tickets to the game for being in some basketball camp. I can still see popeye jones big ass ears from the nose bleed section

[mardigan]

I will still remember this... it was the Spurs vs Mavs. I was 11 years old. I was sitting in the nose bleed section because we got free tickets to the game for being in some basketball camp. I can still see popeye jones big ass ears from the nose bleed section

Not to mention that his upper body looked like a pear

[mabber]

I didn't have a problem with the trade for Dirk (Tractor wasn't that appealing to me). I did, however, really want Paul Pierce in that draft. I may be wrong as it's been awhile, but I think Pierce was drafted with the next pick after Dirk. I knew Pierce would be ready to contribute sooner than Dirk and he was. Who knew Dirk would turn out to be as good as he has?

[mabber]

I didn't have a problem with the trade for Dirk (Tractor wasn't that appealing to me). I did, however, really want Paul Pierce in that draft. I may be wrong as it's been awhile, but I think Pierce was drafted with the next pick after Dirk. I knew Pierce would be ready to contribute sooner than Dirk and he was. Who knew Dirk would turn out to be as good as he has?