Whoever the next Spurs FA or draftee is...

[T Park]

Elson you mean.

But if Evan's at ude is bad in Denver, and say it was bad here, what good would that do to the damn team?

[timvp]

Reggie Evans
18.6 Minutes
5.5 Points
7.6 Rebounds
.540 Field Goal Percentage

Francisco Elson
18.8 Minutes
5.1 Points
4.9 Rebounds
.534 Field Goal Percentage

So Elson plays more minutes but isn't even close to matching Evans production.

[Bruno]

Probably because he doesn't have a great at ude (which is nothing new).

But he can still rebound the ball.

From what I've read it's more than he hurts Nuggets offense and he is an average defender at best.

[Bruno]

Reggie Evans
18.6 Minutes
5.5 Points
7.6 Rebounds
.540 Field Goal Percentage

Francisco Elson
18.8 Minutes
5.1 Points
4.9 Rebounds
.534 Field Goal Percentage

Evans is a decent fantasy league player (like Nazr).

[Bruno]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5324050

By Chris Dempsey
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated: 02/28/2007 07:54:39 PM MST

Chris - I've noticed that Reggie Evans (a rebounding monster) ends up splitting minutes with Eduardo Najera (a very poor man's Ryan Bowen), while Najera gets most of the crunch-time minutes at the end of games. Does George Karl feel Evans is too much of an offensive liability?
-- Andrew, Los Angeles

Andrew - You said it. That's pretty much it. Plus, Evans as a defender is average. Plus, Evans struggles at the free-throw line, making him an easy target for intentional fouls before the two-minute mark in the fourth period.

Evans plays with such high energy, but has a very incomplete offensive post game, which he is working on improving. He has experienced a drop in minutes over the past two or three weeks as a result of Karl's concern that having Evans on the court with the game on the line isn't the best move for the team. Even though he is a significant player on the boards, his minutes will increase as the other parts of his game improve.

[timvp]

But if Evan's at ude is bad in Denver, and say it was bad here, what good would that do to the damn team?

I haven't heard anything about Evans have a bad at ude this season. If anything, the Nuggets have been impressed by his improvement on defense.

Evans is just caught in a numbers game in Denver. Even with that, he's able to carve out a role as large as the Spurs' starting center. Put him on a team without bigmen with inflated contracts (Camby, Nene and Najera all make more money than he does), and Evans would really blossom.

[timvp]

http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5324050

By Chris Dempsey
Denver Post Staff Writer
Article Last Updated: 02/28/2007 07:54:39 PM MST

Chris - I've noticed that Reggie Evans (a rebounding monster) ends up splitting minutes with Eduardo Najera (a very poor man's Ryan Bowen), while Najera gets most of the crunch-time minutes at the end of games. Does George Karl feel Evans is too much of an offensive liability?
-- Andrew, Los Angeles

Andrew - You said it. That's pretty much it. Plus, Evans as a defender is average. Plus, Evans struggles at the free-throw line, making him an easy target for intentional fouls before the two-minute mark in the fourth period.

Evans plays with such high energy, but has a very incomplete offensive post game, which he is working on improving. He has experienced a drop in minutes over the past two or three weeks as a result of Karl's concern that having Evans on the court with the game on the line isn't the best move for the team. Even though he is a significant player on the boards, his minutes will increase as the other parts of his game improve.

Nice. Maybe you can quote the Ludden mailbag next to prop Elson.

[T Park]

Heres the thing.

Spurs had a choice between Elson and Evans, and both made close to the same amount of money.

The Spurs went with elson.

Other than running and what not, you don't think they have some info on both guys, that went into it?

[T Park]

I haven't heard anything about Evans have a bad at ude this season.

Kori seems to believe that

[Kori Ellis]

I haven't heard anything about Evans have a bad at ude this season. .

Neither have I - that's why I said probably. He had a crappy at ude in the past.

[timvp]

From what I've read it's more than he hurts Nuggets offense and he is an average defender at best.

Evans averages more points and shoots for a higher percentage than any big on the Spurs outside of Duncan. Defensively, the Nuggets give up 6.8 less points per 100 possession with Evans on the court. The Spurs give up the same amount of points with Elson on the court or on the bench.

[Kori Ellis]

Heres the thing.

Spurs had a choice between Elson and Evans, and both made close to the same amount of money.The Spurs went with elson.

Other than running and what not, you don't think they have some info on both guys, that went into it?

Reggie Evans - five years/$23M or so
Francisco Elson - two years/$6M

Not close.

[T Park]

Neither have I - that's why I said probably. He had a crappy at ude in the past.

Damn't

[T Park]

5 years 23 what is that,

4 something

elson is 3.

A million more.

Not ALOT in basketball terms. IMO at least.

[Kori Ellis]

5 years 23 what is that,

4 something

elson is 3.

A million more.

Not ALOT in basketball terms. IMO at least.

PLEASE, it's not about per year and you know it. The Spurs weren't going to hand anyone a five year deal this summer.

[timvp]

PLEASE, it's not about per year and you know it. The Spurs weren't going to hand anyone a five year deal this summer.

True. But you can't find quality offering around one or two year contracts. Evans makes $900,000 more this season, so if the Spurs could have sprung for the years, they could have gone from a weak rebounding team to a powerful rebounding team.

The 2008 Plan sucks.

[T Park]

I agree. Im not disputing that.

Im just saying the million PER.

Thats all

[Bruno]

Evans averages more points and shoots for a higher percentage than any big on the Spurs outside of Duncan.

if you want to see how Evans hurt an offense only by looking at his stats, check his turnovers and his FT%.

Defensively, the Nuggets give up 6.8 less points per 100 possession with Evans on the court. The Spurs give up the same amount of points with Elson on the court or on the bench.

Points per 100 possession have shown that Barry was a better defender than Bowen last year.

Anyway, you know BB better than me but I trust more Karl's evaluation on Evans than yours. If Karl bench him there is a reason and Nuggets' writer gave it.

[T Park]

Wow bruno....

[timvp]

if you want to see how Evans hurt an offense only by looking at his stats, check his turnovers and his FT%.

The Spurs have only won championships the years that their FT% was horrendous.

If Karl bench him there is a reason and Nuggets' writer gave it.

Evans didn't really get benched because he was never actually penciled in as the starter. Like I said, the Nuggets have four bigmen who make more money (including KMart), so Evans isn't going to jump over too many of them. They gave Nene $60M, they pretty much have to start him.

It's a lot like when the Nuggets signed Earl Watson even though they had Andre Miller and Earl Boykins. They didn't do it because they needed Watson, they did it because Watson at the amount of money they got him for was a good trade asset.

I suspect the same reasoning was used for Evans. They didn't specifically need him, especially after re-signing Nene for monster bucks, but it made more sense to lock him up at a reasonable contract and try to trade him later rather than just letting him walk.

[T Park]

If Evans cant jump over Kmart this year, then I dont know what the he needs.

[Bruno]

Evans case and Watson aren't the same.

Watson was the 3rd PG behind Miller and Boykins. Evans is behind Najera and Kleiza in the rotation. It's logic that he can't outplay Camby and Nene but there are 30mpg available as backup PF/C.

And trading Evans isn't that easy : Denver has tried to trade Evans or Nene in the AI trade without success.

I suspect that Evans is more in the Nazr case. Denver was quite impressed by his energy when he came in the middle of the season but are now disapointed about his lack of progress due to his poor feeling for the game.

[ChumpDumper]

Avery would love to be able to double team Tim with two big men in the playoffs.

[timvp]

but are now disapointed about his lack of progress due to his poor feeling for the game.

Shooting 7% higher than last year with the Nuggets isn't progress? More points and rebounds per minute. More steal and more blocks.

But then again, getting Spurs fan to prop a player not on the Spurs is like pulling teeth.

[ducks]

The buyout was never $14 million. That is pretty much impossible, although I'll allow that Tau simply wouldn't let him go at all. In all likelihood that was Tau's starting bid in negotiations and the Spurs F.O. and the San Antonio media reported it as the hard and cold facts, since the Spurs don't negotiate at such high levels. They probably said, "Oberto will do just as well, and be cheaper," and signed him instead. When Scola finally plays his first games in the NBA, we'll see if they were correct, but that $14 million figure is nonsensical.

Nonsense or not, I don't fully mean the Spurs would have signed Scola that summer. But by signing Oberto instead, that took away $2.5 million (whatever it is) for two more years they could have 'earmarked' for Scola. Having Oberto simply meant that Scola really wasn't coming.

NO THE BUYOUT WAS 14 million
tau likes money when players leave under contract
SCOLA WAS A ING IDIOT TO SIGN THE CONTRACT WITH THAT HUGE BUYOUT
QUIT BLAMING THE SPURS FOR THE BUYOUT