ing Chavez

[101A]

Throwing money at corrupt governments, such as many LatAm and African ones, has done nothing for its people.

Have you learned nothing from 50 years of American foreign policy?

Do you recognize sarcasm?

-and it's not just FOREIGN policy. The US govt. tends to use the same, or very similar, remedies, for ALL of its problems.

[smeagol]

The truth is that Chavez is the only hope that many poor people in these countries have.

Bull .

Chavez is a short term fix for the poor in Venezuela. One day oil will go down to US$15 bbl and this clown will have no money to throw away to the needy classes. He is wasting a golden opportunity to develop the country and create long term solutions for the poor.

Chavez is to the Venezuelan's of the year 2000 what Peron was to the Argentines of the 1950s. A pile of steaming .

I don't have to tell you about the history of Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Peru, Nicaragua, El Salvador, etc.

No you don't.

They have been screwed over by their governments for so long.

They have been scrwed by all their governments. Right and left. No one government takes a pass here. The leftists governments have been as bad as the military dictators.

Chavez is a saint compared to these ex-presidents/dictators.

You have a screw loose.

The U.S. have definitely allowed for dictators to run rampant in Central and South America. It was to their benefit so they let it happen.

This I wholeheartedly agree. It's one of the reasons why I don't agree with America's two-faced foreign policy.

Chavez is nowhere near a dictator or a totalitarian compared to Videla and Pinochet.

Chavez is much worse than Pinochet. Pinochet at least paved the road for Chile to become what it is. And Videla had to fight against communist terrorism.

What is Chavez doing that is so good? Giving away money to the poor? In exchange for what? Is he creating jobs? Is he educating his people?

He is a ing ignorant populist, totalitarian LatAm clown.

People definitely need to learn their history about Latin America before they try to call out Chavez.

Junior, I know the history of my country (and a little history of other LatAm countries too) and I can honestly tell you Chavez is an imbecile who is doing much more harm than good.

[smeagol]

Do you recognize sarcasm?

-and it's not just FOREIGN policy. The US govt. tends to use the same, or very similar, remedies, for ALL of its problems.

Not if you don't put a beside the comment.

I'm a little slow today.

Sorry

[Purple & Gold]

Bull .
Chavez is a short term fix for the poor in Venezuela. One day oil will go down to US$15 bbl and this clown will have no money to throw away to the needy classes. He is wasting a golden opportunity to develop the country and create long term solutions for the poor.

Your opinion. It must be nice to be able to wait things out when most people are starving and barely making it day to day.

Chavez is to the Venezuelan's of the year 2000 what Peron was to the Argentines of the 1950s. A pile of steaming .

So you support what Videla did?

They have been scrwed by all their governments. Right and left. No one government takes a pass here. The leftists governments have been as bad as the military dictators.

There have been much less leftist governments then there have been governments on the right. The U.S. propped up the governments on the right. Why do you think there have been hardly any leftist governments.

You have a screw loose.

You're an idiot.

Chavez is much worse than Pinochet. Pinochet at least paved the road for Chile to become what it is. And Videla had to fight against communist terrorism.

And here the truth comes out. You supported Pinochet and Videla. Paved the road for Chile to become what it is? On who's bones asshole? Videla had to fight against communist terrorism? You sure have been handed the Videla talking points. You are defending two of the worst dictators in Latin America ever. They murdered, silenced, oppressed, how many people?

What is Chavez doing that is so good? Giving away money to the poor? In exchange for what? Is he creating jobs? Is he educating his people?

Actually he is creating jobs and educating his people. You're an idiot if you don't see it.

He is a ing ignorant populist, totalitarian LatAm clown.

This coming from a supporter of Pinochet and Videla. Asshole.

Junior, I know the history of my country (and a little history of other LatAm countries too) and I can honestly tell you Chavez is an imbecile who is doing much more harm than good.

Your a ing dumbass. Another typical elitist South American that cares nothing about the people of his country. You know the history you choose to follow. As long as their crimes didn't effect you it was OK. I'm glad the people have finally woke up and are taking the power away from people like you and your way of thinking.

[smeagol]

Your opinion. It must be nice to be able to wait things out when most people are starving and barely making it day to day.

So you solution is to give away money to the needy and do for the long term development of Venezuela instead of developing the economy and thus resolving, in a moderate amount of time, his situation and his son’s situation and his son’s son’s situation?

Great approach.

So you support what Videla did?

I support the fight against communism which in Argentina manifested itself in the form of murderous guerrillas. I don’t support part of Videla’s methodology.

There have been much less leftist governments then there have been governments on the right.

Yap, yap, yap.

Alfonsin, Alan Garcia, Fidel Castro, Chavez, Kirchner, Tabare Vazquez, all the Chilean governments since Pinochet, Ortega.

Learn your history you ing ignorant moron.

The U.S. propped up the governments on the right. Why do you think there have been hardly any leftist governments.

Hopeless moron, go and read some history books.

Where are you from?

And here the truth comes out. You supported Pinochet and Videla. Paved the road for Chile to become what it is? On who's bones asshole?

Of course he did. Chile is what it is today because of him. Prove me otherwise.

And what is your truth?

Videla had to fight against communist terrorism?

Do you deny this, illiterate dumb ?

You sure have been handed the Videla talking points.

What Videla talking points? The majority of Argentines requested the armed forces to take over power after the Montoneros and other terrorists groups where killing innocent people left and right. It is do ented. Go read some history. It’s you who seems to read only the leftist propaganda. You probably believe the Montoneros where “Buenos muchachos idealistas” as that two faces asshole Peron described them.

You are defending two of the worst dictators in Latin America ever. They murdered, silenced, oppressed, how many people?

Who do you defend? Castro, who killed, oppressed and silenced thousands? Chavez, who is silencing everybody in Venezuela who opposes him and wants to rule until he dyes? Or you probably defend other communists: Stalin, who murder millions, or Mao. you.

Actually he is creating jobs and educating his people. You're an idiot if you don't see it.

Do you know anybody in Venezuela? Crime rates are up, poverty is up. Damn you are stupid.

Your a ing dumbass. Another typical elitist South American that cares nothing about the people of his country. You know the history you choose to follow. As long as their crimes didn't effect you it was OK. I'm glad the people have finally woke up and are taking the power away from people like you and your way of thinking.

Hey, ing asshole. You know my background. What is yours? Are you American? Where the are you typing this nonsense from? Are you in Venezuela living the revolution? Or are you in Argentina, sucking Kirchner’s and rejoicing when he allows Chavez to rally people against the US.

Show your face, imbecile.

[smeagol]

ripper, how is Venezuela doing?

Long term, is this financial model sustainable?

Socialismo o muerte . . . what do you think?

[xrayzebra]

This argument is really mute. Look at Mexico and the rest
of the governments in LA. Corruption from top to bottom, that
has been the problem. Chavez is no different. Until they get
people in government that want to improve things for their countries in the LA countries it will never be any
different. All of the LA countries are rich in resources, including
their people and all have been exploited for the few who
wield power, right or left. For those who support the socialist
system, you only have to look at Cuba and Mexico (yes they are
socialist, even when the so called "right" was in power) and
other LA countries.

[Purple & Gold]

smeagol your a typical South American/European elitist asshole that supported the genocide of the indigenous people of his own country. Your the worst type of s . The fact that you support what Videla and Pinochet did shows who you really are. Only recently have the left seized control in Latin America. Regan made sure to keep the right in power. I know my history, you might be able to try and twist it for those that don't know, but that won't work with me. I don't agree with everything Chavez stands for, but there are many things he has done that are great for his people. At least he's trying and not oppressing the poor people for only the betterment of the few elite. Something that I know you support. He is educating the people, you talk , only because he is redistributing the wealth. Something that should have been done years ago. You know nothing about me and have no idea who I support. But yet you bring up Stalin and Mao. Laughable. Only an ignorant elitist asshole thinks in extremes. you. I'm glad people like you and your line of thinking are losing their grip on Latin America.

[leemajors]

smeagol your a typical South American/European elitist asshole that supported the genocide of the indigenous people of his own country. Your the worst type of s . The fact that you support what Videla and Pinochet did shows who you really are. Only recently have the left seized control in Latin America. Regan made sure to keep the right in power. I know my history, you might be able to try and twist it for those that don't know, but that won't work with me. I don't agree with everything Chavez stands for, but there are many things he has done that are great for his people. At least he's trying and not oppressing the poor people for only the betterment of the few elite. Something that I know you support. He is educating the people, you talk , only because he is redistributing the wealth. Something that should have been done years ago. You know nothing about me and have no idea who I support. But yet you bring up Stalin and Mao. Laughable. Only an ignorant elitist asshole thinks in extremes. you. I'm glad people like you and your line of thinking are losing their grip on Latin America.

not to nitpick, but you still haven't answered his question.

[Purple & Gold]

not to nitpick, but you still haven't answered his question.

Honestly I really don't care to answer anything from this asshole. I have no time for him.

[johnsmith]

Honestly I really don't care to answer anything from this asshole. I have no time for him.

Then why do you keep replying to him?

[Purple & Gold]

Then why do you keep replying to him?

Because I had no idea how much of a bag this guy is. I don't spend enough time in the political forum to realize the assholes that hang out in here. But now I know.

[xrayzebra]

smeagol your a typical South American/European elitist asshole that supported the genocide of the indigenous people of his own country. Your the worst type of s . The fact that you support what Videla and Pinochet did shows who you really are. Only recently have the left seized control in Latin America. Regan made sure to keep the right in power. I know my history, you might be able to try and twist it for those that don't know, but that won't work with me. I don't agree with everything Chavez stands for, but there are many things he has done that are great for his people. At least he's trying and not oppressing the poor people for only the betterment of the few elite. Something that I know you support. He is educating the people, you talk , only because he is redistributing the wealth. Something that should have been done years ago. You know nothing about me and have no idea who I support. But yet you bring up Stalin and Mao. Laughable. Only an ignorant elitist asshole thinks in extremes. you. I'm glad people like you and your line of thinking are losing their grip on Latin America.

And here we have someone who "claims" to know
"his history". Like most of his kind, he knows nothing
of the history of "his" history or the history of any of
the Latin American countries. Most have always had
a socialist or dictorial government. Not a republican
or democratic type government. Stupid is as stupid is.
And this is what you deal with.

[whottt]

Give it up smeag...asshats that think Castro and his ilk are heroes. Easy for them to do since they don't have to actually live under the leadership of this type. This is my only concern about immigration...that we'll get even more of these bags over here and they'll make America as ed up as the place they are trying to leave. It doesn't help that we have an inordinate amount of useful idiots here to begin with.


As you can no doubt tell by the amount of moronic Chavez fans in this thread.


Smeagol...the mindset you are arguing with...since they can't be successful, you shouldn't be allowed to either.

You're evil because you're successful...

[clambake]

I'm no Chavez fan, but he does have a way of exploiting the side of Bush that most republicans refuse to acknowledge.

Real Chavez fans get free oil. In a sense, he and Bush throw gifts to sway opinion.

[smeagol]

not to nitpick, but you still haven't answered his question.

Because not only is he an idiot, he is also a coward.

Show your true colors, Lakerfan, tell us where you stand.

I have a feeling you are Argentine . . . the type that thinks Hebe de Bonafini is a great woman and that Kirchner is an excellent president. You are probably in favor of the "piquetes" and the blocking of the roads to Uruguay.

Oh . . . and you probably believe Allende was going to be God's gift to Chile

Learn you history. Argentina went through a war against hoards of killer communist bands. And all the political parties at the time begged for the Military to restore order. Again, the military went overboard, I admit it. But those red assholed were the worst thing that could happen to my country.

[Phenomanul]

smeagol your a typical South American/European elitist asshole that supported the genocide of the indigenous people of his own country. Your the worst type of s . The fact that you support what Videla and Pinochet did shows who you really are. Only recently have the left seized control in Latin America. Regan made sure to keep the right in power. I know my history, you might be able to try and twist it for those that don't know, but that won't work with me. I don't agree with everything Chavez stands for, but there are many things he has done that are great for his people. At least he's trying and not oppressing the poor people for only the betterment of the few elite. Something that I know you support. He is educating the people, you talk , only because he is redistributing the wealth. Something that should have been done years ago. You know nothing about me and have no idea who I support. But yet you bring up Stalin and Mao. Laughable. Only an ignorant elitist asshole thinks in extremes. you. I'm glad people like you and your line of thinking are losing their grip on Latin America.

Chavez is handing out fish and crumbs tin order to keep the masses happy - Instead of teaching them how to 'fish for themselves'.

He's a joke politician.... All he really cares about is POWER - not the people. That's the primary attribute that defines these dictators - insatiable thirst for power.

[smeagol]

Chavez is handing out fish and crumbs tin order to keep the masses happy - Instead of teaching them how to 'fish for themselves'.

He's a joke politician.... All he really cares about is POWER - not the people. That's the primary attribute that defines these dictators - insatiable thirst for power.

The problem is the LatAm leftists disregard the facts. As long as a dictator is from the left, like Castro, Ortega or Chavez, these morons applaud him.

They think they rule "for the people" when they are really ruining the people.

How can sombody support a regime that has been in power since 1959, does not allow it's citizens to leave the country and is planning to hand power to his ing brother?

Or support a tatalitarian who changes to Cons ution to suit his power-hungry needs, who has relected himself until 2012 and already said he wants to be in power until 2021. What the is wrong with you? How the can you support this s ?

Dude: Capitalism >>>>>>>>>>> Communism.

Only a moron would argue against that premiss.

[smeagol]

Because I had no idea how much of a bag this guy is. I don't spend enough time in the political forum to realize the assholes that hang out in here. But now I know.

you.

Tell me what you stand for and where you are from, you pussy.

[leemajors]

i don't think he is from latin america, it's at least implied here:

Stop allowing your governments to oppress their people so much and you wouldn't have Latin American leftists.

i have said it before, when i first saw the revolution will not be televised i thought chavez seemed like a pretty stand-up guy - they did a good job of painting him as a man of the people. the figures i have seen afterwards seem to indicate otherwise - not much has changed economically, the same top % of the population still has the wealth, it just may have changed hands. that's not what i would call progress, though i am no expert.

[Bob Lanier]

That's the primary attribute that defines these dictators - insatiable thirst for power.

That's the primary attribute of all living things.

The sexual tension in this thread is astounding.

[Purple & Gold]

i don't think he is from latin america, it's at least implied here:

I am Latino, but no I'm not Argentinean. But I sure do know a lot about the history of Argentina though. I know many people that have had many of their relatives just disappear into the night. And yet this asshole still supports them.

Again, the military went overboard, I admit it.

Talk about the understatement of the millennium. Went overboard? Tell that to the Madres De Plaza De Mayo. It's a lot more than overboard asshole.

Point blank anybody that supports what Pinochet and Videla did is a ing s bag piece of and deserves the same fate of what happened to those people.

[whottt]

i don't think he is from latin america, it's at least implied here:



i have said it before, when i first saw the revolution will not be televised i thought chavez seemed like a pretty stand-up guy - they did a good job of painting him as a man of the people. the figures i have seen afterwards seem to indicate otherwise - not much has changed economically, the same top % of the population still has the wealth, it just may have changed hands. that's not what i would call progress, though i am no expert.

Don't worry...things will change. Venzuela is well on it's way to being a Utopia.

[whottt]

I am Latino, but no I'm not Argentinean. But I sure do know a lot about the history of Argentina though. I know many people that have had many of their relatives just disappear into the night. And yet this asshole still supports them.

And you think this doesn't happen in Socialist Utopias?


Chavez' heroes are Kim Jong Il and Castro...

You would not believe how stupid you sound right now.

You're an extremist...even worse, you're an extremist that never has to feel the embrace of his extremism.


Throw away your PC, don't watch the news...if you lived in Cuba you wouldn't be allowed too...go on, live under the conditions you champion for others.


When you leave America for Venzuela...be sure to do it on a raft with no food or water, you know, like Cubans have to do to get out.


Show us how bad it is for you here in America....

[Purple & Gold]

Chavez is handing out fish and crumbs tin order to keep the masses happy - Instead of teaching them how to 'fish for themselves'.

He's a joke politician.... All he really cares about is POWER - not the people. That's the primary attribute that defines these dictators - insatiable thirst for power.

It's a process. This is not instantaneous. The Misiones Bolivarianas are reforms that have been put in place by Chavez. They are reforms in education, health care, housing, helping the kids on the street, etc. There's so many of them and they are for the betterment of the country as a whole. So please don't act like Chavez just gives money away and doesn't teach people to 'fish for themselves'. That's just wrong and not true. Social services are not handouts.