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From the pawn shop vato!
I expect justice from our government leaders...so I demand it!!!
From the pawn shop vato!
Transparently corrupt, I'd say...
paid attention to how the dems are trying to get the "let's leave Iraq" funding bill passed?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Bribery, right there for 'ya!
you ask for serious responses but then respond with these insults.you are not worth the time of posters here. i'm out of your "serious" thread
next time you ask for serious response, I will click "Back".
I didn't insult you in any way shape or form...
I didn't have a clue of your political beliefs prior to you being offended...that was just my general view.
Why is that though Joe?
Is it because Mexican's are inherently corrupt...
Or is it because they tend to believe the big lie of Socialism? Imported directly from Spain.
That the government can take care of you...
That so an so is a hero of the people....he'll take it from the rich and return it to the people?
I remember going down there with my parents many years ago and my dad got stopped and while I don't remember all the details I do remember my dad handing over some cash and we were on our way.
There is corruption in all government...yes, even our beloved U.S.A. government and that too goes from the City Council, Mayor, State House and Senate, U.S. House and Senate and yeah...even to the Oval Office!!
There is corruption in all governments....
That's why a free press is essential to realizing the ideals of Democracy.
That's why the guy who blows smoke up your ass about what is possible when it comes to governments taking care of people...is the biggest liar of them all.
This is a big issue...and I don't think anyone is looking beyond the skin color...
When they should be...
Everyone forgets that Mexico was a spanish colony...
And I'd say the corruption follows a trend apparent in many former colonies that were subject to Europe's more brutal colonial practices...
I don't know how much discussion you will get from your target audience, so I'll give you mine. Born in Wyo. to migrant workers, working in the sugarbeet fields (this makes me an expert). I've worked with plenty of illegals at cotton gins and construction to have some insight as to why they are here (this makes me even more of an expert).
1: Do you think it's hopelessly corrupt and ineffective?
As it is right now, yes, but I won't say completely. Can you imagine, what would the mexican president think and do if he was to look out his window and see 5 - 10 million able bodied mexicans marching to his office, all of them recently deported from the US, unemployed, demanding jobs, reforms, etc.? Until something like this happens, I don't see any positive changes happening in mexico, the people in power or more then happy to keep the situation from changing.
2: Should the US take a more active role in controlling immigration from Mexico?
Yes, the term 'illegal immigrant', means something, it defines a person who is breaking the law, and no matter how you spin it, 'illegal' is still illegal. Because you hold this view, it doesn't mean you don't want mexicans to immigrate, fill jobs that need filling, become effective citizens that add to the nation in a positive way, it simply means there is a legal method in place to do this, come in legally and you're more then welcome. But the most serious matter, is the security aspect, in light of 9-11, we simply need to know who is entering our nation.
3: What are your thoughts on the causes behind Mexico's economic problems?
Not being an expert on mexico's economy, I'll just give you my opinion based on years of observation. I think the root of the problem is a cultural mindset, here are couple of true stories to illustrate it. A friend goes to mexico, comes to a stop sign, a kid not much older then 8 or 9 runs in from and starts juggling limes, they get a kick out of it and give the kid some change. He looks in the rearview mirror as he drives away to see the kid get gang tackled by a bunch of other kids and have his change stolen. That evening he goes to an expensive restaraunt, mercedes, bmw's, etc., and meets up with some wealthy mexicans for dinner, as they leave, there are beggers outside, dressed in brown rags, as he goes to give them some change, the rich mexican girl he's with says, "You don't have to do that!". So, the way I've come to see it, its the have and the have-nots in the worst way, virtually no middle class. Perhaps sending all the illegals back is the only way to ins ute change, and then who is to say the change that comes about is going to be a positive one, south and central american have shown more often to move to the left/socialism then right/capitalism - and thats the last thing we, or they need.
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And the rest of the Bill of Rights
Even tho I'm well outside your desired parameters for responders, I'd have to say Mexicans are not inherently corrupt
I think you hit the nail on the head with the corruption following Europe's nasty colonial era
Mexicans are inherently corrupt? Is it possible for you to make your point in starting this thread? You rarely say anything that doesn't lead to your devious motive. Your brain damage must be significant if the military turns you away in favor of 3rd strike offenders.
I thought I told you to shut up.
You live in SA and you can't find any mexicans to ask? Or is it because they won't unlock your asylum?
What are the medical costs associated with 24-hour care of a mental patient?
I don't live in SA.
I can find plenty of them to ask...like my two half brothers and the woman who raised me from the age of 10.
However you are such a ing bag that your only debate tactic is attacking someone who was denied the right to fight for his country on the basis of an inury overwhich he had no control...
But your ignorance and bigotry are excusable right? Becaue you're white and you hate white pople.
I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. You're vile weak and pathetic.
Maybe so. You suppressed your urge to throw the sucker card. That's progress.
Hey Whottt, if you were on fire I'd do whatever I could to help you.
I don't....I think you'd stand there talking about me having a head injury.
sucker.
PS: I wonder why you reminded me?
It's not that I wouldn't give you a serious answer to the question, it's that I don't fit the criteria. You want to hear from first-generation Mexicans (from Mexico) and/or Mexicans whose grandparents or parents come from Mexico. Not going to find much of those around, lots of Mexicans here today would have to go back probably 4-5 generations back to qualify. Thanks for the history lesson btw, but as a fairly knowledgeable history major, I'm well aware of the history of Texas, even if my specific area is the Reformation period. Anyway, I can't really give you an answer from the p.o.v. you seek because the net you cast is too narrow based on your requirements.
Also, as an aside, it's ridiculous to make assumptions about what I think with regards to Chavez from one comment meant to rile up people such as yourself. I do like many things about Chavez and we can certainly disagree about those points but I don't like everything about him so please don't infer anything in addition to what I state just for the sake of argument.
double post, disregard
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What the does this mean?
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Or is it because they tend to believe the big lie of Socialism? Imported directly from Spain.
LOL, you don't even know what the you're talking about now. I can't even begin to imagine the connect you're trying to make. Although maybe it has something to do with a few muralists, artists and writers from Mexico who traveled to Europe in the early part of the 20th century and came back heavily influenced by the political atmosphere of the time in certain countries. This has little to nothing to do with the general Mexican populace.
Hmmm, I wonder if you're just incredibly naive and ignorant or just unwilling to look at your own country's colonial practices and weigh them against those of Spain. Better yet, why not mention the already corrupt and brutal practices of the Aztecs and certain other Amerindian tribes living in Central American during the colonial period? This would lend itself a bit better to that argument you were trying to make above that Mexicans are inherently corrupt.Everyone forgets that Mexico was a spanish colony...
And I'd say the corruption follows a trend apparent in many former colonies that were subject to Europe's more brutal colonial practices...
Anyway, I'm really curious as to the connect you're trying to make between Mexico and Spain. I know Spain and its history like the back of my hand (I'm not being facetious), and I'd like to think that I know Mexico just as well, so please enlighten me as to the connection you're trying to make and how it relates to the questions you pose.
I am a Mexican Citizen (by birth) and a Naturalized American Citizen (my mother and grandmother are both American Citizens by birthright). What's funny is that Mexico recognizes my dual citizenship status while the U.S. doesn't.
Anyways.... I lived in Mexico for 5 years and visit once or twice per year. In fact my parents are down there for an Evangelical Conference at this very moment.
I pretty much agree with RighteousBoy's take. The most telling line being that Mexico's middle class is non-existent. About 2-3% of the population own about 70% of the country's wealth. That's a highly unbalanced distribution of the country's resources. Furthermore, the country's vast oil reserves serve only to make politicians richer. All of Mexico's ex-presidents are known crooks who have taken millions upon millions of dollars from the Mexican people.... And to add insult to injury the politicians themselves write laws that prevent stolen assets from being stripped away from them. It is a highly depressing cycle that every Mexican citizen knows all too well.
The U.S. could play a role... but self-serving interests don't allow for Mexico's economy to be restructured for the good of its people. The U.S. approaches all policy concerning Mexico with only its interests at heart. But who can blame them? It's not their duty to govern Mexico if Mexicans can't govern themselves.
Which brings me to my next point... Most Mexican politicians have direct bloodlines to the Spaniards... That particular caste in society has managed to stay in political and social power. They won't relinquish it. Then again the people apparently 'vote' them in.
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There have been blatant family trees linking pretty much every american president and major politician to the royal bloodlines of europe as well. At the link they had proof that kerry and bush in fact shared the same european ancestor, during the 2004 election.
Theres an entire school of thought that thinks the european nobles never really lost power, they're still in power, and have always been, like they always will be
It means what do you think is the reason for Mexico's completely corrupt govt and infrastructure?
Is it the people?
Or is it the government?
You tell me...
LOL, you don't even know what the you're talking about now. I can't even begin to imagine the connect you're trying to make. Although maybe it has something to do with a few muralists, artists and writers from Mexico who traveled to Europe in the early part of the 20th century and came back heavily influenced by the political atmosphere of the time in certain countries. This has little to nothing to do with the general Mexican populace.
False...
All the countries in this hemishphere where communism and socialist strains run strongest are former colonies of France, Spain and Portugal.
Hmmm, I wonder if you're just incredibly naive and ignorant or just unwilling to look at your own country's colonial practices and weigh them against those of Spain.
Oh I'll weigh them all day long against ing Spain's...you've got to be ing kiddng me here...................
Oh I mention that all the time...usually when someone pulls the slavery card in an argument..Better yet, why not mention the already corrupt and brutal practices of the Aztecs and certain other Amerindian tribes living in Central American during the colonial period? This would lend itself a bit better to that argument you were trying to make above that Mexicans are inherently corrupt.
There's just one problem though, I think monarchial rule is superior to communism...all communism is is a poor king stealing the power of the rich one.
Anyway, I'm really curious as to the connect you're trying to make between Mexico and Spain. I know Spain and its history like the back of my hand (I'm not being facetious), and I'd like to think that I know Mexico just as well, so please enlighten me as to the connection you're trying to make and how it relates to the questions you pose.
Oh get ing real...the communists in Mexico and the Soviet Union opposed Franco with their last dying breath.
And see...he was better than communism.
European style colonialism and aristocracy breeds communism and socialism.
Communism and Socialism are the response to Royalty....unfortunately, they like to claim they are the enemy of American Capitalism..and so they attack America.
Much like the Muslim Fundamentalists do when they warn of America's imperialism.
They attribute Europes colonial era to America...they lump us in with them when they refer to us as, the West.
and btw ponky...yeah I put Mexicans, not Mexican Americans in the le for a reason, because I wanted people who consider themselves Mexican to respond, because I wanted their opinion...not someone who hasn't lived there for a hundred years...what the do you know about Mexico? About as much as me.
I figured it'd get a knee jerk response though...
If I'd put hispanics or latin americans I'd have gotten responses I wasn't looking for...ditto Mexican Americans.
Thanks for the response Phenomanul. It's nice to hear a qualified opinion.
As for the class separation of Mexico...but of course, that's what runaway leftism does..creates the ultimate class separation, the only class it eliminates is the middle class.
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CBF and Phenomenal, it's not just here. Most of the politicians in Europe trace their ancestry back to royalty.
A lot of hte so called Democracies in Europe are not Democracies at all...
Tell me how many Blacks and Algerians hold high position in France? Or Spain? In spite of centuries of dual citizenship and fairly free immigration.
Britain is not quite as bad...but that's mainly because their colonial era came later, they have their share of holes too...mainly in the mid-east.
Sorry but every war, of the 20th century, every problem area in the world right now., can trace it's problems back to European colonial rule....from Vietnam to Cuba.
Where the colonial powers came in and kicked the living out of indigenous populations carrying with them their invention of classifying intelligence based on skin color.
America wasn't one of those countries doing that...they were the colony.
We didn't bring slavery here...we ended it here.
It's never ended for some of their former colonies...particularly some of the French colonies.
That's why I get pissed when Americans don't realize that stuff, and think we need to follow Europe's lead there...it infuriates me.
They've got no track record to be touting.
LOL, based on your response to my post, I've concluded that you're quite an ignorant idiot. I know a lot more about Mexico than you do, I'm just not qualified by YOUR criteria to respond to your question, but it doesn't mean that I won't call you on the other bull you post. You wanna talk about Mexican history and the silly connections you're trying to make, bring it. I didn't spend years traveling and living in Mexico/Guatemala and taking history courses at U.T./Columbia/Complutense in Madrid to not know my . I am American with Mexican, Apache and Italian heritage so you can go yourself if I disagree with your ideas about who you choose to label as "Mexican" or "Mexican-American." You should really learn some history before talking about it as if you know anything.
As for knee jerk response, you only have to look as far as my one-line comment about Chavez to view some knee-jerk responses. You made a whole load of assumptions in that thread based on one-line that was meant to provoke such reactions, way to overreact.
this has to be the biggest load of mierda i've read on this board. last time i checked, slavery was abolished in mexico a good 50 years before the u.s....and it didn't take a civil war to accomplish this action. there's a reason you see a lot more afro-latinos in south and central america than in the u.s. anyway, this is not to say that when it comes to slavery, the countries under spain's rule were any better. it is merely to point out that you should stop putting the u.s. on a pedestal when it comes to its own history.
lol, imagine if gold and silver had been found in the area now known as the united states, rather than mexico...you have got to be ing kidding yourself if you don't think the indigenous groups of the u.s. would've fared any better than those in central america. americans didn't classify based on skin color? i guess segregation is a myth borne out of liberal enthusiasm
actually, i need to put an *ignore* action on the entire political forum, this is a sports site and what i came here to talk about, ugh!
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