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none taken. Jackson and Kerr kicked our asses that day. It sucked. Really bad. But that's when reality set in... you can't win a le without defense. Hopefully the Suns and their fans learn that one day.
I don't think that the Mavs big three are "On" all the time. Dirk is the most consistant and he is on about 95% of the time. Howard is second, about 75% of the time, but as stated, when his shot isn't falling he is still a good defender and rebounder. Terry is at about 65% being "On", The thing with his is when he is "On" He is REALLY ON, and when he isn't, Harris comes in with almost the same game.
What hurts the Spurs in the lack of back-ups. There is a big difference between Parker and Vaughn, what the Spurs do with Parker on the floor, they cannot with Vaughn. Not true with the Mavs PG's.
The same is true Manu and Barry/Finley. When the line-up changs, the playbook does as well. With Howard and Stack, their games are close to the same (On offense anyway).
Even with the "Big Two" of Duncan and Dirk. Bonner is not the inside force that Duncan is ... In fact, he is close to the opposite (In outside player), the playbook changes with him. With Dirk and Croshere, they both have the outside shot and inside moves. Obviously the talent level drops, but the Mavs can still run the same plays.
With the Mavs, no matter the line-up on the floor, they play the same way. Run the same plays and keep the pressure on. With the Spurs, when they go to the bench for any of the three, the playbook changes.
That is something that I think has been overlooked with the Mavs management through the last few years. They don't just get a player to fill a roster spot, they look for the guy that fits with what they already do at the position. you need only look to Dirks back-up, they have been Croshere, Van Horn and Walker ... all good at both inide and outside games. Howards Position? Stackhouse and Jamison ... Same game.
The Spurs big three are slightly better in the Playoffs (Duncan is a monster, Manu and Parker can vanish completely), But the way that the teams approach the bench and how they play in the system gives the edge to the Mavs.
The Spurs need all three to be "ON" to win, and even then .... Remember in one of the losses last year all three got 30+ points, it could be a struggle. The Mavs only need two of the three to hit to win.
none taken. Jackson and Kerr kicked our asses that day. It sucked. Really bad. But that's when reality set in... you can't win a le without defense. Hopefully the Suns and their fans learn that one day.
Top 6 combined for both teams.
1. Dirk
2. Duncan
3. Ginobili
4. Howard
5. Parker
6. Terry/Harris. They are about the same.
Not sure I'd go that far. Both of them have tended to choke and disappear in the playoffs, but with Stack's greater role, he has a proportionately greater probability of killing your team's chances of winning a game.
Most people don't want to admit that:
Duncan, Parker, Ginobili > Dirk, Howard, Terry
Although Dallas bench > Spurs bench.
We have a better Big 3, but worse bench, than Dallas.
Do you all really think Howard and Terry are on the level of Parker and Ginobili? You're nuts if you do.
He also is actually capable of helping this team win as well. Finley is simply useless, and a far bigger choker than Stackhouse.
Thats very true, if Bowen can slow down one of their big 3, helps out one of ours. Except for the Buckners, Georges, and Harris's that can slow down our guys as well, they have some damn good defenders
I think they are on the same level, why wouldnt I? I mean, yeah, they are each better at certain things than the others, but they pretty much even out when all is said and done
Ok, ask yourselves this question: When it comes to playoff situations and winning those important games:
Would you rather have Parker and Ginobili, or Howard and Terry on your team?
Wow I actually agree with that list.
Im not sure, depends on which duo is on. They both have their ups and downs. Tony gets to the basket better than Terry, Terry is a much better shooter than Tony. Manu has more offensive game than Howard, but Howard is a much better defender and rebounder. It all evens out to me
Yea, I pretty much do to , except that Duncan and Dirk are pretty much dead even to me, I wouldnt put one in front on the otherWow I actually agree with that list
Dirk better than Duncan?Wow I actually agree with that list
I mean I know Dirk makes his jump shots, but please. Matt Bonner has more basketball moves than Dirk.
Dirk made you all do this last June
Actually, that was Wade.
I strenuously disagree with that, and I'll leave it at that.
And why will you leave it at that? Because you have absolutely no evidence to refute it, that's why.
If I am down by any number of points, I would take the Mavs trio. If I am ahead, I would take the Mavs trioOk, ask yourselves this question: When it comes to playoff situations and winning those important games:
Would you rather have Parker and Ginobili, or Howard and Terry on your team?
Looking for the comeback, Terry and Dirks shooting with Howard rebounding will win the day.
Looking to hold the lead, I would really like to have Duncan inside, but his FT shooting could lose the lead for us. In a FT contest, Mavs all the way.
Evidence? Nobody is capable of quantifying the game of basketball. This forum, like all sports forums, is for smack talk and commiseration.
If you want simplistic numbers, Stackhouse's career playoff averages are 4.0 points and 3% worse from the field than his regular season averages; he owns a pathetic career playoff FG% of 38.0 (including one year in Detroit in which he shot 32% and did absolutely everything he conceivably could to lose playoff series after playoff series). Finley's are 1.0 points and 2% worse from the field.
Jerry Stackhouse is simply a loser, and unlike Finley he's never had a consistent spot-up jumpshot to fall back on when his experiments in dribbling fail. That's experience, not evidence, and I'm sorry that's all I have to offer.
In the playoffs, when the Spurs play the Mavs, Dirk does more for his team than Duncan, mostly because he has to. Thus, Dirk is better. Duncan often lets Ginobili and Parker take the reins. Overall? I'll still say Duncan is better, Dirk has just been having amazing seasons. Duncan can still do anything better than Dirk except score. Dirk's developed into a real stud, but Duncan came into the league that way.Dirk better than Duncan?
I mean I know Dirk makes his jump shots, but please. Matt Bonner has more basketball moves than Dirk.
Dirk made you all do this last June
Actually, that was Wade.
I think what we all know is that a series like last year's series more frequently comes down to the things you can't really analyze than it does to questions like this. I mean, for crissakes, one could make a very legitmate argument that the difference in the Spurs/Mavs series in 2006 was Keith Van Horn draining 3 huge three pointers in Game 7. If Van Horn doesn't hit those shots -- arguably -- the Spurs 4th quarter comeback sweeps the Mavs away in a 2003-like tidal wave. Nobody that I can recall ever argued that KVH might prove to be a major factor in that series, but he indisputably was.
Teams that win in a big series tend to get at least some meaningful contributions from unexpected sources. I maintain that the Spurs and Mavericks are actually remarkably close from a matchup standpoint. I think it's conceivable that either could win in 5 games and either could win in 7. But I'm certain that someone unexpected will provide some production to make a difference in the ultimate outcome.
Dirk gives the Mavs the better opportunity to determine tempo and matchups. The Spurs, I think, have the best singular player. I think the Spurs also probably have the most clutch player on either roster -- or at least the guy I'd most want with the ball in his hands (from an objective standpoint) if I had to have one play to win. But the Mavs have more guys who can do more things to win games. The Spurs have a lot of one-trick ponies who don't make much of a difference (and can actually hurt the team) if they aren't performing that trick.
I hope the series comes off. Last year's was the best playoff series I've ever witnessed in person.
That was a pretty good exhibit A
You speak like somebody who didn't even watch the playoffs last season. Or the season before, for that matter.
It's not so much about Tony not being clutch, it's about the fact that he had just started (and still is) improving as a shooter. Mavs took away his driving lanes and he can't do much. He's been much more consistent this year, so this postseason should be a good indicator of his actual clutchness.
Last season Stack shot 40% from the field and 34% from 3 during the playoffs, along with sub-80% free throw shooting. Finley? 48% and 38%, and 90% from the line.
The season before: 38%, 40%, 86% for Stack; 42%, 39%, 89% for Finley.
Neither of them plays any defense or creates anything for their teammates, so I'm taking into consideration their skill as finishers. And as a finisher, whenever the pressure is on, Stack is a guy opposing coaches have to love. That Avery Johnson also loves Stack is an ongoing mystery.
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