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    jho's headband ponky's Avatar
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    sandman, you could take a lot of franchise players away from their teams and they would flail like the suns have...kg and the wolves, bosh and the raptors, kobe and the lakers, arenas and the wiz, so what? just because a team relies so heavily on one guy doesn't mean that he deserves mvp every year, especially when they have two other all-stars on the team. when duncan won his mvps (regular season) it was partly because he was having a great year and partly because his team was kicking ass with a really great roster with guys like d-rob, ginobili, jackson, rose, bowen, kerr and a young parker. this doesn't mean that there weren't other teams at the time who had franchise players that were relied upon heavily...at that time, one could talk about nowitzki and how mediocre the team would've been without him in 03...they did have the same record as the spurs that year and i'd say the mavs without nowitzki were not as good as the spurs without duncan back in 03 when duncan won mvp

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    A neverending cycle Trainwreck2100's Avatar
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    Yea, he has gotten tougher, for sure, but I dont think he intimidates anyone


    Disagrees

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    In Limbo mardigan's Avatar
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    Thats pretty good

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    Good stuff.

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    Dirk Administers THE SHOCKER LEONARD's Avatar
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    Haha, funny. One writer DOESN'T worship the Mavs and the whole forum explodes. Awesome.

    Count me in...that makes two of us who don't think the Mavs will win the championship despite being 70-12 or whatever they end up. It's an honest non-homer opinion.

    The championship goes to Detroit, Miami, or SA.
    Wow Jeff...seriously...just when I thought you couldn't top some ofyour other posts...


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    Oh, Dirk can be intimidating.


    Dirk's Hasselhoff poster "out of the box"




    Dirk's Hasselhoff poster after Dirk's "done" with it


    I've been violated!!

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    Mavs are built for regular season success while the SUNS are a team that is built for the playoffs?


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    TheDrewShow is salty lefty's Avatar
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    Bayless is really dumb ; anything can happen during the playoffs

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    Wanna kill all Humans? u2sarajevo's Avatar
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    In case you didn't know already.... Skip Bayliss is the writer who, while in Dallas, wrote that Troy Aikman was gay.

    He is a ' .

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    Skip Bayless is indeed an idiot. I wouldn't listen to a word that comes out of that moron's mouth.

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    ouch

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    Mavs are built for regular season success while the SUNS are a team that is built for the playoffs?

    That was the part that got me. He might as well have said, "I want the Suns to win and will invent reasons why they will."

    Of course, no matter how many games Dallas wins, it doesn't guarantee playoff success. It is merely a very strong indicator.

    The way that has been shown to beat Dallas is to run them out of the building. Phoenix can do that. In the halfcourt game, a team would have to out-execute the Mavs, which is extremely difficult to do because they have so many guys who can create their own shot at a high rate of efficiency.

    If these folks had said something along those lines, at least their opinion would be respectable. But actually knowing what they are talking about doesn't play on ESPN. Appealing to the lowest common denominator by stirring up the common fan is ESPN's game plan.

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    wait a second...

    troy aikman isn't gay? where the have i been?

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    sandman, you could take a lot of franchise players away from their teams and they would flail like the suns have...kg and the wolves, bosh and the raptors, kobe and the lakers, arenas and the wiz, so what? just because a team relies so heavily on one guy doesn't mean that he deserves mvp every year, especially when they have two other all-stars on the team. when duncan won his mvps (regular season) it was partly because he was having a great year and partly because his team was kicking ass with a really great roster with guys like d-rob, ginobili, jackson, rose, bowen, kerr and a young parker. this doesn't mean that there weren't other teams at the time who had franchise players that were relied upon heavily...at that time, one could talk about nowitzki and how mediocre the team would've been without him in 03...they did have the same record as the spurs that year and i'd say the mavs without nowitzki were not as good as the spurs without duncan back in 03 when duncan won mvp
    Hold on. I am not saying that Dirk would be undeserving of the MVP. I am not saying that Dirk is not the leading candidate for MVP at this point. I am not saying the system would be broke if Dirk won the MVP. I am simply saying that he does not automatically win the MVP based solely on being the best player on the team with the best record. I was simply pointing out the subjectiveness of the award to those who cannot fathom how anyone else could possibly be considered above Dirk.

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    Doesn't that make sense to you, or is your brain that dumb that you can't even get that? pussyface's Avatar
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    That was the part that got me. He might as well have said, "I want the Suns to win and will invent reasons why they will."

    Of course, no matter how many games Dallas wins, it doesn't guarantee playoff success. It is merely a very strong indicator.

    The way that has been shown to beat Dallas is to run them out of the building. Phoenix can do that. In the halfcourt game, a team would have to out-execute the Mavs, which is extremely difficult to do because they have so many guys who can create their own shot at a high rate of efficiency.

    If these folks had said something along those lines, at least their opinion would be respectable. But actually knowing what they are talking about doesn't play on ESPN. Appealing to the lowest common denominator by stirring up the common fan is ESPN's game plan.
    well said amigo

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    Clever got me this far... JMarkJohns's Avatar
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    I hate how the Suns have gone from completely dismissed to wholly praised. They have issues. More so than the Mavericks. They are better in areas, equal in other, but there's no comparison to rebounding where Dallas kicks Phoenix's ass. It'll be interesting to see how things shape up come Sunday.

    I still think Dallas is the team to beat and also that they'd cement such status if they'd let Terry be the man late, rather than Dirk. Terry is clutch. Dirk is inconsistant. Work with both, but Terry more often.

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    adolis is altuve’s father monosylab1k's Avatar
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    I was simply pointing out the subjectiveness of the award to those who cannot fathom how anyone else could possibly be considered above Dirk.
    I never said I couldn't fathom how anybody but Dirk could win it. I just pointed out that people are finding any way possible to not give it to him, or to try and remove him from the running. Last year everybody said "it's clearly Nash"...the year before "it's clearly Nash or Shaq".....other times "it's clearly Duncan" or "it's clearly Garnett" or "it's clearly Karl Malone".....and this year it's "weeeeeelll maybe Dirk but really look at how Nash's team does when he DOESN'T play, look at how ty the Lakers are but KOBE scored like a mother er, look at how the Heat are rebounding after Shaq started to give a halfway through, look at how awesome Gilbert Arenas' blog is....and on and on. I wouldn't be too pissed if Dirk loses to Nash or Kobe, but it really pisses me off how every last in' expert wants to find a way to prove that he's not really a candidate.

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    wait a second...

    troy aikman isn't gay? where the have i been?
    You take that back! Troy loves the snooch, LOVES IT!

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    This is the West, sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend sandman's Avatar
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    I never said I couldn't fathom how anybody but Dirk could win it. I just pointed out that people are finding any way possible to not give it to him, or to try and remove him from the running. Last year everybody said "it's clearly Nash"...the year before "it's clearly Nash or Shaq".....other times "it's clearly Duncan" or "it's clearly Garnett" or "it's clearly Karl Malone".....and this year it's "weeeeeelll maybe Dirk but really look at how Nash's team does when he DOESN'T play, look at how ty the Lakers are but KOBE scored like a mother er, look at how the Heat are rebounding after Shaq started to give a halfway through, look at how awesome Gilbert Arenas' blog is....and on and on. I wouldn't be too pissed if Dirk loses to Nash or Kobe, but it really pisses me off how every last in' expert wants to find a way to prove that he's not really a candidate.
    If every last one of them is saying it, then it may be the truth. Or simply a vast Right Wing conspiracy!

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    Doesn't that make sense to you, or is your brain that dumb that you can't even get that? pussyface.'s Avatar
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    yeah, that's in' right! you tell 'em pussyface! everyone will know our awesomeness! hey are we gonna look up stuff about f scott fitzgerald on wikipedia so that later we can pwn some n00bs by making them think we're smart? i got the cliff's notes on great gatsby, and i think that if we start calling people "old chap" it will be a playfully forgettable phrase that will still come across as subtly intelligent! genius!
    Last edited by pussyface.; 03-30-2007 at 02:25 PM.

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    jho's headband ponky's Avatar
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    Hold on. I am not saying that Dirk would be undeserving of the MVP. I am not saying that Dirk is not the leading candidate for MVP at this point. I am not saying the system would be broke if Dirk won the MVP. I am simply saying that he does not automatically win the MVP based solely on being the best player on the team with the best record. I was simply pointing out the subjectiveness of the award to those who cannot fathom how anyone else could possibly be considered above Dirk.
    i understand your point...and i agree...but it will be a disgrace if nash gets a third mvp

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    i understand your point...and i agree...but it will be a disgrace if nash gets a third mvp
    I dont think it would be a disgrace, I wouldnt like it to much, but Nash I think really has proved that to his team, he is so damn valuable

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    俺はまんこが大好きなんだよ baseline bum's Avatar
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    As a Spurs fan, I'd love it if Dirk developed some of Stackhouse's "killer instinct".

    Nowitzki's always been a big game player. Bayless is talking out his ass. Any NBA superstar with more than a few years under his belt and any level of success has had one ty series in his career.

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    "Lets go Mavs!" Dirk Nowitzki's Avatar
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    Skip and any Mav haters out there! Keep doubting us mother ers. WHEN the Mavs take care of the west and claim their championship, all this talk will FINALLY come to an end!

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    I love how people conveniently forget that Terry is the biggest single choker on the Mavs in FT Late game situations. The guy is absolutely abysmal at the line in late game situations.

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