Spoken from the guy who thinks Lebron sucks.
Absolutely. Give the guy a chance - when we do, he looks pretty solid to me. Didn't h finish the game against Detroit and look pretty good doing so?
I'm not that worried about this one loss given our recent excellent form (when Manu goes 4/7 from the line, it's an ODD night), but I am worried that we will play small ball in the playoffs and not LEARN FROM LAST YEAR!
If he's fit, Rob should finish the game, if not it should be Fran or Bonner. Nuff said.
The coaching staff obviously doesn't believe in Elson. Because they go small more and more and more often.
It's a weird phenomenon. They got Elson so that they wouldn't have to go small. Now, they go even smaller than ever - using Parker and Vaughn in the backcourt and Ginobili and Finley (or Ginobili and Bowen) as the forwards.
Elson might not be awesome, but he can at least "out tall" some people.
And what surprises me even more was that Bonner did not play at all in the fourth. He was doing awesome.
yeah duncan can do no wrongSpoken from the guy who thinks Lebron sucks.
Free White and Ely!!!!!!!!!!
elson is wildly inconsistent.
include the godlike Ginobili's pathetic performance and you have a recipe for a loss.duncan 7 turnovers and missed free throws lost the game
NOT SMALL BALL
Nowhere did I ever say that.
Look ducks, I know it's hard for someone like you to grasp the big picture here, but the bottom line is small ball ain't going to cut it in the post-season. If we had made two more FTs and won the game, it would have been fool's gold.
Pop is using small ball as a crutch for not having confidence in Elson, whom he doesn't give a chance to build any confidence or trust because he won't play him in crunch time.
still better than small ball. and that's all that matters.
i agree wholeheartedly with the first part of the sentence. i just don't see where elson has shown any reason for pop to trust him in crunch time. every couple games he will play great, but too frequently he makes really bad decisions and racks up fouls instantly. unfortunately, i have no other solution. i agree he should get more run, but at this point i would rather pop at least let bonner play in the smaller lineups instead of the 3 guard lineup. at least he has a consistent basketball IQ and always gives all he has.
someone pull out the stat about how when Elson plays 35+ minutes the spurs are 19-2 and or something
He may be suspect on D at times but with that stat he must be doing SOMETHING right on D.
And I don't care what scenario we're in, Elson as a C works much much better than Finley as a C.
As nice as the Jazz win was, people need to remember that OUT-REBOUNDING them was huge in that game. Small ball doesn't get you rebounds.
elson played 21 mins vs the jazz. he did have 6 boards in that time though.
I think the reason Pop doesn't give Elson more minutes is because he doesn't want him to be injured...maybe he believes that Elson is our secret weapon vs Dallas...so he wants to make sure Elson enters an eventual Spurs-Mavs series 100% healthy.
Small ball vs Elson just seems to be talking around the problem. I think that we're in trouble when career scrubs like Elson are considered as viable solutions to our rebounding and defensive vulnerabilities.
Just not enough ammo this year. That leaves no room at all for error. In order for us to win a le this year, both small ball and Elson are going to have to overachieve at an almost miraculous level. Along with a host of other factors: Coaching, 3 pt % FT shooting, etc.
So many things are going to have to change for us in the playoffs. That's what's discouraging about this loss. It seemed like we'd really turned the corner lately. Didn't somebody say something about fools gold?
Tks
But remember our 1st game vs Dallas ? Cisco was terrific, and we won
He did not play much the last 2 games vs Mavs and we both of these games
As nice as the Jazz win was, people need to remember that OUT-REBOUNDING them was huge in that game. Small ball doesn't get you rebounds.
Uh, they played small ball all of the 4th quarter.
So,
How did they get rebounds?
I agree Elson needs to play, but who knows if he will.
If we go small were toast. If we go with elson, were better off, but not guaranteed of squat.
One, he played in, they had a 9 point lead, and for some reason decided to go small and lost.He did not play much the last 2 games vs Mavs and we both of these games
The other game I believe he was hurt.
When did Elson become this defensive god?
He is a scrub, sorry. He was a third string player. Whatever Oberto and Bonner are, they are even farther behind. Elson plays no defense. All he does is stick his hands up and rack up fouls.
People wonder why we went small last year? Look at our crappy centers. You have Nazr playing 30 minutes, shooting 1 of 3 and grabbing 6 rebounds. Amazing. Then they are slow on top of that.
Being tall doesn't make you a better defensive option than a small person. The NBA would be full of 7 foot scrubs and centers wouldn't be such a valuable commodity. It's no wonder the forward/center hybrid is becoming more popular along with small ball.
We should go with Melvin Ely! Spurs rely too much on the "stay the course" action. Gamble on the other options in these last games. Elson has proven, by this point, he hasn't come through. (in pop's eyes. and apparently he does get into foul trouble very easily)
Uh, they played small ball all of the 4th quarter.
So,
How did they get rebounds?
I agree Elson needs to play, but who knows if he will.
If we go small were toast. If we go with elson, were better off, but not guaranteed of squat.
I would rather lose going big then dropping another game with small ball
now granted, there have been times where small ball helped us go on a run or led to a victory, but Pop's lack of faith in the bigs after halftime is unsettling. As i said before, he may as well just have the starting lineup be a small one since he completely refuses to give the bigs a shot in crunch time.
Anything can happen
That extra rebound could change the game
We play small ball because we can't play Spurs ball anymore.
What continues to surprise and frustrate is that we didn't see this coming (what were all those pick-n-stashes supposed to amount to anyway?), nor did we do anything about it last off season. Or should I say we did all we could, i.e. gamble on scrubs.
It's also completely inexcusable to complain about losses to Eastern lottery teams. That is the Spurs biggest weakness: Losing to non-playoff East teams. Oh no, they're in trouble.
Well yeah,
but it's still annoying, the issue has more to do with how we're playing in regards to these losses, not who we're playing.
We beat UTAH on Friday, there's no reason for us to be losing today's game, in regards to execution. Especially with the fact that SMALLBALL keeps coming back to haunt us? Why do we keep pigeonholing ourselves into these losses? and is it indication that we are gonna have a tougher time in the Post-Season?
Ultimately, it's just a regular season loss, and every team drops one now and then, but this is kind of a recurring pattern that gets under a Spurs fan's skin, when we keep racking up, losses we didn't need to be losing.
i would say, pathetic small line ups.
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